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1. WillPo+(OP)[view] [source] 2019-11-26 16:59:44
Has math education actually improved with the introduction of calculators? Easy and equitable solution would be to remove them from classes and tests.
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2. knolax+z6[view] [source] 2019-11-26 17:36:11
>>WillPo+(OP)
Has introducing students to a programmable computer dedicated to math improved math education? Yes, yes it has. Writing a program to automate certain computations certainly helps your understanding better than performing said computations by rote multiple times.
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3. lopmot+ta[view] [source] [discussion] 2019-11-26 17:58:01
>>knolax+z6
How often do high school students actually use graphing calculators to write programs? If it's only one day a year, then they can do that by going to the computer lab. I have doubts that graphing calculators provide any educational value except in rare instances. Are those rare instances worth every student having such an expensive thing for several years?
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4. tricer+ib[view] [source] [discussion] 2019-11-26 18:01:59
>>knolax+z6
How does it do that? It seems like graphing equations by hand on graph paper would help understanding better. And my personal experience tells me that rote practice increases task fluency. Do you have any citations to back up your claim?
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5. chapiu+Ni[view] [source] 2019-11-26 18:42:55
>>WillPo+(OP)
Seeing the previous rows of what you entered was always what was appealing about TI-83's to me. I ended up eventually getting a 2 row non-graphing calculator for college and it was absolutely perfect.
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6. knolax+tm[view] [source] [discussion] 2019-11-26 19:06:37
>>tricer+ib
Do you have any to back up your claims? Everyone here (myself included) is just arguing by anecdote.
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7. knolax+4o[view] [source] [discussion] 2019-11-26 19:17:38
>>lopmot+ta
> How often do high school students actually use graphing calculators to write programs?

In my experience that's where all the time saved by automating rote calculation went. Maybe this is a generational thing but for a lot of my peers Ti-84s were their first experience with programming. It's probably the only context where most students are exposed to computing that doesn't involve always connected data-harvesting.

> going to the computer lab

A student has no incentive to write programs if they aren't actually going to use them.

> Are those rare instances worth every student having such an expensive thing for several years?

I remember buying mine at a flea market for literally a quarter. TI-84s have been around for so long that they're really only expensive if you're hellbent on only buying new. Every garage sale and Goodwill in the country has at least one of these for cheap.

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8. tricer+1t[view] [source] [discussion] 2019-11-26 19:46:06
>>knolax+tm
There's plenty of evidence to suggest that practice improves fluency in all kinds of tasks. Since we're talking about mathematics, here's a relevant paper.[1] Mind I'm not an expert on the literature in this subject and I searched for about 2 minutes.

But "practice makes perfect" isn't that radical of an idea - you'd be hard-pressed to find a task at which someone doesn't get better with practice (barring biologically impossible ones).

EDIT: you mentioned "writing a program to automate computations" and yes I agree that that would certainly help understanding. I've not used graphing calculators all that much though, so I thought they were mostly used for plotting graphs and calculating statistical measures such as mean, standard deviation, percentiles etc. And I don't see much need for program-writing on the part of the student to do all that. The student might be far better off writing simple Python or JS programs to do those things.

1. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10649-017-9788-x

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