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AdNauseam Banned from the Google Web Store

submitted by yuvada+(OP) on 2017-01-05 14:19:39 | 345 points 329 comments
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14. pricec+38[view] [source] 2017-01-05 15:19:40
>>yuvada+(OP)
There's related discussion on this here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13325507

Not only is it apparently banned from the store, but also it's being removed from existing user's machines, on top of not allowing new installs.

Edit: Going to quote my thread from that discussion as this announcement confirms they were banned over the single use policy...

> Other ad blockers "block ads" and "block annoying eu cookie notices". Should they be removed?

> I just visited the Chrome store and chose the first extension: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/office-online/ndjp.... It makes word documents AND spreadsheets?!

> Hopefully you can see where I'm going... whatever's written in the policy is difficult to enforce literally. Someone has to make the distinction based upon the intent of that policy. A person has to draw the line. If Google have made the decision based on that policy, well that's their decision.

> Reading https://developer.chrome.com/extensions/single_purpose (part 4) makes me thinking "disrupting ad networks" could be that single purpose. Then it'd cover blocking & clicking. Just like "Office Online"'s "edit office documents" covering both "word processing" and "spreadsheets".

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16. loster+l8[view] [source] [discussion] 2017-01-05 15:21:37
>>menega+e7
It's possible to install Chrome extensions outside of the store: https://github.com/dhowe/AdNauseam/wiki/Install-AdNauseam-on...
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23. tyingq+R9[view] [source] [discussion] 2017-01-05 15:29:20
>>mtarno+66
I assume AdNauseam's random clicking is viewed as click fraud[1] by Google. Then, I'm guessing click fraud falls under the "Interfering with Third-party Ads and Websites" section[2] of the developer policy.

[1]https://support.google.com/adsense/answer/16737?hl=en

[2]https://developer.chrome.com/webstore/program_policies (ctrl-f, then search for "Interfering with Third-party Ads and Websites")

Edit: Hmm, below is correct. The "single purpose" policy is pretty hard to understand, and the reason Google gave for banning it. The policy above would seem more applicable.

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24. pimlot+U9[view] [source] [discussion] 2017-01-05 15:29:36
>>everyo+p7
> Who uses Chrome anyway?

Over 50% of all desktop users [0], or, in other words, hundreds of millions of people.

0: https://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qpr...

27. Spoom+ga[view] [source] 2017-01-05 15:31:23
>>yuvada+(OP)
At the risk of downvotes: Is anyone really surprised?

AdNauseam is silently clicking ads. This directly costs Google money. Google happens to control the extension web store for their own browser. Removing it from the store really isn't that bad. Uninstalling it from existing browsers as malware? A little more malicious, but I would still consider it self defense.

There is even a method to install it directly[1] which AFAIK Google has not blocked.

Granted, if Google were not both running the browser and the ad network, these actions probably wouldn't have been taken. But the whole attitude that this is some sort of tyrannical thing is a little over the top.

1. https://github.com/dhowe/AdNauseam/wiki/Install-AdNauseam-on...

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33. tyingq+Ta[view] [source] [discussion] 2017-01-05 15:35:03
>>jmcdie+xa
>You're not paying to be there

It's not a huge amount, but you do pay to be there. See https://developer.chrome.com/webstore/publish

"Before you publish your first app, you must pay a one-time $5 developer signup fee"

41. square+Ab[view] [source] 2017-01-05 15:40:29
>>yuvada+(OP)
The Firefox extension review turned this up:

"If you have a YouTube channel (s) and your logged in to that channel it will get your channel suspended for Violation of TOU #4 Section H" [1]

Has anyone else confirmed this behavior on YouTube?

1. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/adnauseam/rev...

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59. kome+hd[view] [source] [discussion] 2017-01-05 15:50:18
>>m-p-3+mc
They have it: https://adnauseam.io/
64. snowwo+Ld[view] [source] 2017-01-05 15:54:16
>>yuvada+(OP)
If the only reason Google have banned this from the Web Store is because it violates the Single Purpose Policy (https://developer.chrome.com/extensions/single_purpose) - i.e. Blocking AND Clicking Ads, then an interesting test would be to split the extension in 2 - One extension to block all ads on the page, and one extension to click all ads on the page. And then see if they are then both accepted into the store. And as this is a fork of uBlock, you don't really need the first extension - Why don't they just develop an extension whose single purpose is to click all ads on a page and recommend users also install uBlock?
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79. CaptSp+Ef[view] [source] [discussion] 2017-01-05 16:05:39
>>_ofdw+uc
https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/web/AdSupportedWebD...

> essentially all of the ad supported sites I visit are diversions

110. vlunkr+Yh[view] [source] 2017-01-05 16:18:40
>>yuvada+(OP)
I just confirmed you can install this manually in Chromium still. https://github.com/dhowe/AdNauseam/wiki/Install-AdNauseam-on...
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116. pixdam+4j[view] [source] [discussion] 2017-01-05 16:23:48
>>everyo+p7
> Who uses Chrome anyway?

Anyone who's (or should be) a little bit concerned about security ?

Firefox has been absent from 2016's Pwn2Own contest because of insuffisant "security improvements in the last year".

This may change with the Electrolysis project[1]

[1]: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis

121. Artemi+4k[view] [source] 2017-01-05 16:29:58
>>yuvada+(OP)
Everytime a Google product makes it to the front page a Google engineer chimes in. No one today?

https://hn.algolia.com/?query="i%20work%20at%20google"&dateR...

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132. _nalpl+el[view] [source] [discussion] 2017-01-05 16:38:23
>>square+Ab
Better link (jumps directly to the review):

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/adnauseam/rev...

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148. wildrh+Xm[view] [source] [discussion] 2017-01-05 16:46:30
>>m-p-3+4c
Can I ask if there's a good way to keep bookmarks synced between Chrome and Firefox? I know about Xmarks[1] but I'm just curious if there's another way that doesn't involve storing my bookmarks on a third party.

[1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/xmarks-sync/

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227. ddeber+FD[view] [source] [discussion] 2017-01-05 18:14:29
>>downan+Of
> (Adsense does use mouse tracking and other techniques that will likely flag these clicks as suspect, requiring additional analysis). Therein lies the problem.

Actually, Google does track all of this stuff already:

http://adage.com/article/digital/inside-google-s-secret-war-...

Google could decide to just ignore IPs that host users that display this behavior pattern. But yeah, it's "easier" to just ban the offending Chrome extension.

236. ddevau+0G[view] [source] 2017-01-05 18:26:46
>>yuvada+(OP)
Wikipedia summarizes fruad as "In law, fraud is deliberate deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain, or to deprive a victim of a legal right." The user does not unlawfully gain and the ad provider doesn't have a legal right that's being infringed on here.

Some legal resource I found online says that in the US fraud requires: (1) a false statement of a material fact, (2) knowledge on the part of the defendant that the statement is untrue, (3) intent on the part of the defendant to deceive the alleged victim, (4) justifiable reliance by the alleged victim on the statement, and (5) injury to the alleged victim as a result. [1] Note that "material fact" here is a legally significant phrase, and implies a written agreement or some other mutually agreed to terms that establish the expectation - which never happened between you and the ad provider.

No matter how you slice it the user of ad nauseum is not committing fraud. This misinformation needs to stop.

[1] http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/fraud

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238. dsp123+tH[view] [source] [discussion] 2017-01-05 18:34:41
>>otterl+Fp
You're missing a few elements. One of which is, "the injured party’s right to rely thereon"[0] (unless that's what you mean by #4 above).

"A party does not have a right to rely on a representation if she is aware the representation is false, not enforceable, or not made to her."

It's clearly arguable that the ad network knows that a browser is able to click on an ad in an automated fashion. Thus, they do not have a right to rely on that representation, as it is not enforceable.

[0] - http://www.mitchell-attorneys.com/legal-articles/common-law-...

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241. neon_e+YI[view] [source] [discussion] 2017-01-05 18:43:02
>>recurs+aC
Here's a (macOS-specific) guide, unfortunately it still requires basic knowledge of the Terminal and a working installation of Ruby.

http://macappstore.org/chromium/

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242. hsod+OK[view] [source] [discussion] 2017-01-05 18:52:57
>>heropr+Ip
I'm not a lawyer, but according to this definition the fraud perpetrator need not gain, only cause injury to the fraud victim:

"A false representation of a matter of fact—whether by words or by conduct, by false or misleading allegations, or by concealment of what should have been disclosed—that deceives and is intended to deceive another so that the individual will act upon it to her or his legal injury."

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/fraud

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252. arctic+LO[view] [source] [discussion] 2017-01-05 19:14:13
>>menega+e7
Meanwhile, there are blatantly illegal things on the Android app store with no touch at all from Google. (For example this Age of Empires "clone" https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.squid.ageo...)

Priorities clearly higher in killing ad blockers.

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270. yellow+QV[view] [source] [discussion] 2017-01-05 20:01:56
>>cdubzz+xG
No PPA necessary: http://packages.ubuntu.com/yakkety/web/chromium-browser

Most of the more-or-less mainstream distros ship Chromium in their standard repos. In fact, they're more likely to ship Chromium than Chrome due to the fact that the former is FOSS and the latter is not.

Neither macOS nor Windows have such a philosophy of "prioritize the FOSS alternative", so Chrome is unsurprisingly the better-supported option there.

278. smarx0+C01[view] [source] 2017-01-05 20:34:48
>>yuvada+(OP)
I always thought Stallman's ideas were _too_ crazy. Until I struggled with Chrome for 10 minutes trying (and failing) to install this extension in a way that wouldn't bother me. And then I realised that Chrome is dictating what can I do on _my_ computer and what I can't.

This year I will try to fix the rough edges in any FF plugins I use instead of switching back to Chrome.

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-even-more-impor... https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/keep-control-of-your-computin...

279. em3rge+a11[view] [source] 2017-01-05 20:38:38
>>yuvada+(OP)
they posted link on homepage on how to install on Chrome bypassing webstore about 7 hours ago: https://github.com/dhowe/AdNauseam/wiki/Install-AdNauseam-on...
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291. smarx0+qh1[view] [source] [discussion] 2017-01-05 22:45:05
>>Jordro+T11
I think FF addons also need some more love this year. Was thinking of a low-hanging-fruit issue aggregator for FF plugins like this one https://github.com/spring-guides/issue-aggregator. Would you be interested in using such an aggregated list of bugs?
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300. _euvw+1t1[view] [source] [discussion] 2017-01-06 00:37:05
>>type0+Tn1
You could call the Advertisement Code Commission. See: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/bescherming-van-con...
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302. type0+gu1[view] [source] [discussion] 2017-01-06 00:51:24
>>richar+7v
If it's publicly available then it's public, otherwise it's just deep web requiring authentication which is not public by any means. WWW was designed to be public, if you don't believe me you could ask Tim and "World Wide Web Foundation, which seeks to ensure the web serves humanity by establishing it as a global public good and a basic right." (http://webfoundation.org/about/sir-tim-berners-lee/)
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324. square+We5[view] [source] [discussion] 2017-01-07 23:48:53
>>jstanl+vg
Take a look at Palemoon. A Firefox fork with speed in mind. https://www.palemoon.org/
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