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Marvin Minsky dies at 88

submitted by joelg+(OP) on 2016-01-25 23:37:14 | 1259 points 178 comments
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5. biject+d2[view] [source] [discussion] 2016-01-26 00:03:25
>>Tossro+81
From the jargon file [1]

[1] http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/koans.html#id3141241

6. hydand+r2[view] [source] 2016-01-26 00:05:51
>>joelg+(OP)
What a sad day, he was truly one of the great minds of the twentieth century. Inspiration to generations.

P.S. Web of Stories has an extensive, autobiography style interview with Marvin Minsky [1].

[1] http://www.webofstories.com/play/marvin.minsky/1

7. saoseb+s2[view] [source] 2016-01-26 00:05:53
>>joelg+(OP)
RIP. I will always hold him as an inspiration.

Of interest: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neats_vs._scruffies

I find it interesting because Minsky did a lot of the foundational work in Neural Network research yet he philosophically identified as the opposite on the Neat/Scruffy spectrum of most NN researchers today. Much like Bayes, I think there is some immense wisdom from his research that will not even be acknowledged as wisdom for decades.

10. ggreer+A2[view] [source] 2016-01-26 00:08:11
>>joelg+(OP)
Interesting fact: Minsky is an Alcor member[1], so he's probably being cryopreserved right now. Though if he died from a cerebral hemorrhage, I'm not sure how well they'll be able to preserve his brain.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcor_Life_Extension_Foundatio...

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13. reason+M3[view] [source] [discussion] 2016-01-26 00:27:45
>>ggreer+A2
One can hope that they'll make the attempt regardless. Alcor's position is to carry out their directive from a member regardless of third party opinions on viability where they can, as having the reputation for doing this minimizes the very real problem of interference from family members (for reasons economic, religious, etc). Also it is very hard to say at the time (as time is critical) how much damage is done via fatal brain injury of this nature, and of course at this point next to impossible to say what that will do the the odds and difficulty of future restoration.

Brain injury kept Roy Walford from being cryopreserved, though there it was clearly an extension of his own thoughts on the matter: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=24045 I see that as a terrible shame; it is guessing in advance as to the limits of what can be restored.

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14. evanb+Y3[view] [source] [discussion] 2016-01-26 00:31:01
>>Tossro+81
Will robots inherit the earth?

Yes, but they will be our children.

--Marvin Minsky http://web.media.mit.edu/~minsky/papers/sciam.inherit.html

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23. george+c5[view] [source] [discussion] 2016-01-26 00:46:02
>>Tossro+81
I always loved this TED talk of his

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYsTv-ap3XQ

35. ryanma+G7[view] [source] 2016-01-26 01:34:07
>>joelg+(OP)
Favorite paper of his:

Why Programming is a Good Medium for Expressing Poorly Understood and Sloppily-Formulated Ideas

http://web.media.mit.edu/~minsky/papers/Why%20programming%20...

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40. Elieze+l8[view] [source] [discussion] 2016-01-26 01:47:26
>>realit+e8
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dartmouth_Conferences

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Minsky

51. moreno+3b[view] [source] 2016-01-26 02:47:28
>>joelg+(OP)
thankfully MIT open courseware recorded one of his classes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pb3z2w9gDg the society of mind class 6.868
56. dmschu+zb[view] [source] 2016-01-26 02:55:51
>>joelg+(OP)
Minsky helped design one of the coolest musical gadgets I've ever come across, the Triadex Muse. Being a sort of self-generative music box, Minsky imagined a future where families would gather around such musical machines instead of turning to boring old television for their entertainment and relaxation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triadex_Muse

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57. robotr+Ib[view] [source] [discussion] 2016-01-26 02:59:56
>>chrisk+R5
More than an attendee, he was one of the proposers.

The proposal:

http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/history/dartmouth/dartmou...

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62. Ologn+Fc[view] [source] [discussion] 2016-01-26 03:23:36
>>julian+92
Minsky's Society of Mind lectures are online, thankfully - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pb3z2w9gDg .

In one of the lectures, Minsky told a story about how when he was at Princeton, Oppenheimer invited him to lunch. When Oppenheimer brought Minsky to the lunch, there were two other people there - Gödel and Einstein. Talk about brainpower, that must have been an interesting table conversation.

66. dang+Nc[view] [source] 2016-01-26 03:25:51
>>joelg+(OP)
Here's a nice tribute by Philip Greenspun: http://blogs.harvard.edu/philg/2016/01/25/marvin-minsky-1927..., via https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10971472.
69. DonHop+dd[view] [source] 2016-01-26 03:37:31
>>joelg+(OP)
He was truly a brilliant and humble man, who wrote so much influential and interesting stuff! Here's one of my favorite papers by Marvin Minsky:

Jokes and their Relation to the Cognitive Unconscious

Marvin Minsky, MIT

Abstract: Freud's theory of jokes explains how they overcome the mental "censors" that make it hard for us to think "forbidden" thoughts. But his theory did not work so well for humorous nonsense as for other comical subjects. In this essay I argue that the different forms of humor can be seen as much more similar, once we recognize the importance of knowledge about knowledge and, particularly, aspects of thinking concerned with recognizing and suppressing bugs -- ineffective or destructive thought processes. When seen in this light, much humor that at first seems pointless, or mysterious, becomes more understandable.

http://web.media.mit.edu/~minsky/papers/jokes.cognitive.txt

72. DonHop+Dd[view] [source] 2016-01-26 03:45:53
>>joelg+(OP)
Here's a video image from the POV of a robotic Dakin Bear of Marvin Minsky's son, Henry Minsky, who had a look of trepidation at the idea of sacrificing his Dakin Bear to one of his dad's robotics experiments.

http://imgur.com/gcFVzpk

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74. aomurp+Kd[view] [source] [discussion] 2016-01-26 03:49:30
>>rpgmak+bc
Was it this one about Hofstader?

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/11/the-man-...

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75. 25cf+Zd[view] [source] [discussion] 2016-01-26 03:53:06
>>rpgmak+bc
This? http://norvig.com/chomsky.html
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77. lambda+be[view] [source] [discussion] 2016-01-26 03:55:32
>>realit+e8
> first neural network

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stochastic_neural_analog_reinf...

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80. tarr11+ve[view] [source] [discussion] 2016-01-26 04:03:17
>>biject+d2
Found this original version copied from this story (original source is a dead link) [1]

"So Sussman began working on a program. Not long after, this odd-looking bald guy came over. Sussman figured the guy was going to boot him out, but instead the man sat down, asking, “Hey, what are you doing?” Sussman talked over his program with the man, Marvin Minsky. At one point in the discussion, Sussman told Minsky that he was using a certain randomizing technique in his program because he didn’t want the machine to have any preconceived notions. Minsky said, “Well, it has them, it’s just that you don’t know what they are.” It was the most profound thing Gerry Sussman had ever heard. And Minsky continued, telling him that the world is built a certain way, and the most important thing we can do with the world is avoid randomness, and figure out ways by which things can be planned. Wisdom like this has its effect on seventeen-year-old freshmen, and from then on Sussman was hooked.]"

[1] http://spetharrific.tumblr.com/post/26600309788/sussman-atta...

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83. fsck--+8f[view] [source] [discussion] 2016-01-26 04:23:02
>>Igglyb+Na
Yes.

https://web.archive.org/web/20111006084129/http://news.ycomb...

96. christ+xh[view] [source] 2016-01-26 05:25:30
>>joelg+(OP)
K-Lines (Knowledge-lines). I still meditate on this idea, and Minsky's paper "K-lines: A Theory of Memory".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-line_(artificial_intelligenc...

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98. saoseb+ti[view] [source] [discussion] 2016-01-26 05:48:04
>>proc0+wf
I would probably guess that he believed in an eventual theory of general intelligence/consciousness, but probably not that it will be easy/succinct/simple. For example, Neural Networks have made extreme breakthroughs in sensory perception and classification, partly through modeling how humans perceive and classify. But do those theories extend over to other areas of intelligence like Planning? Creative capabilities? Emotion? Empathy? Especially if we know that there are other players (such as hormones, genetics, epigenetics, culture, etc.) beyond Neurons in those areas? The fact of the matter is that there are countless factors in how intelligence develops, let alone influence the development of all of the auxiliary functions for intelligence (such as memory, reflexes, sensory, etc.).

EDIT: You can get a little intro to his thoughts on the matter starting about 27:16 in this video [1] (linked at the time marker). If you watch for about 10 minutes, he demonstrates some of the difficulties of using single abstractions for something as complex as human intelligence.

[1] https://youtu.be/-pb3z2w9gDg?t=1636

99. erudit+Ii[view] [source] 2016-01-26 05:53:26
>>joelg+(OP)
> Underlying our approach to this subject is our conviction that "computer science" is not a science and that its significance has little to do with computers. The computer revolution is a revolution in the way we think and in the way we express what we think. The essence of this change is the emergence of what might best be called procedural epistemology ­ the study of the structure of knowledge from an imperative point of view, as opposed to the more declarative point of view taken by classical mathematical subjects. Mathematics provides a framework for dealing precisely with notions of "what is." Computation provides a framework for dealing precisely with notions of "how to."

http://web.media.mit.edu/~minsky/papers/Why%20programming%20...

https://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/front/node3.html

From SICP preface, which is the quote that actually matters, this is inspired by Minsky's quote. I hate that the quote that went public were all the other less inspired quotes from SICP.

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108. waterl+2k[view] [source] [discussion] 2016-01-26 06:18:10
>>mckoss+Uj
Which later became a real-life DARPA Challenge (solved).

http://archive.darpa.mil/shredderchallenge/

And, come to think of it, a variation was in the novel Rainbows End by Vernor Vinge.

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111. ehudla+Pl[view] [source] [discussion] 2016-01-26 06:57:08
>>igravi+Qi
You can see the ToC here: https://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1095587

Chapter 3 talks about McCulloch-Pitts.

I remember being impressed with chapter 14 ("very simple bases for computability") as a kid. Finding UTMs with minimal number of states etc. are great riddles. I also fondly remember the discussion of the halting problem and related problems ("does program P output X") in chapter 8. This was my first introduction to this procedure and Minsky made the idea of reducing one problem to another totally straightforward. Many years later I realized that not a few CS students find these ideas confusing.

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113. gonzo+0m[view] [source] [discussion] 2016-01-26 07:03:36
>>uberso+sj
I'd actually paid to fly Stallman to Honolulu to attend pfosscon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-lP8lPYPDU

While he was in Hawaii, I also paid to fly him to the "Big Island" (Hawaii) to speak with people (mostly astronomers and their children, though some people drove up from Hilo.)

https://blogs.oracle.com/barton808/entry/my_travels_in_hawai...

Since I was paying for his ticket, I knew he would be at the airport.

I lived in Hawaii at the time.

Back in Las Vegas (where I lived at the time), the book, and emacs, were new to me. I took it to read then.

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121. jes519+Ep[view] [source] [discussion] 2016-01-26 08:45:17
>>Tossro+81
Amazingly, according to this 1981 interview in the New Yorker, Minsky's first neural net was itself randomly wired!

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1981/12/14/a-i

"Because of the random wiring, it had a sort of fail-safe characteristic. If one of the neurons wasn’t working, it wouldn’t make much of a difference—and, with nearly three hundred tubes and the thousands of connections we had soldered, there would usually be something wrong somewhere. In those days, even a radio set with twenty tubes tended to fail a lot. I don’t think we ever debugged our machine completely, but that didn’t matter. By having this crazy random design, it was almost sure to work, no matter how you built it."

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126. argona+Kq[view] [source] [discussion] 2016-01-26 09:09:32
>>brianp+Be
There is no evidence he was actually working with a neural net.

https://web.archive.org/web/20120717041345/http://sch57.msk....

132. poseid+jt[view] [source] 2016-01-26 10:11:49
>>joelg+(OP)
RIP Marvin Minsky http://thinkingonthinking.com/marvin-minsky-passed-away/
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136. myztic+Hw[view] [source] [discussion] 2016-01-26 11:35:55
>>d0mdo0+Xi
He also wrote a few product reviews http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A3145L3LF7U7F5/ref=cm_c... ;)
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137. zimpen+bx[view] [source] [discussion] 2016-01-26 11:46:28
>>waterl+2k
There's an excellent chapter about it in http://www.glassner.com/portfolio/morphs-mallards-and-montag...
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147. biofox+BB[view] [source] [discussion] 2016-01-26 13:11:03
>>pantal+Cu
I think you overestimate the amount of brain matter required to maintain personality.

It is possible to lose an entire brain hemisphere and retain complete functionality (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemispherectomy).

There is a huge amount of redundancy in the brain, and most brain matter is only concerned with I/O, signal processing, and life support. It's one of the reasons I have a lot of hope that cryonics is feasible -- massive loss of brain tissue need not mean irreversible loss of an individual.

152. mhalle+SF[view] [source] 2016-01-26 14:19:20
>>joelg+(OP)
Danny Hillis introduced Marvin at the MIT Media Lab's 30th anniversary in October 2015, where they both participated in a remarkable panel discussion.

Though not as strong and fast-talking as he once was, Marvin's humor and wisdom shine through.

Here's a link to the video: http://www.media.mit.edu/video/view/ml30-2015-10-30-01

Danny begins his introduction at about 41:29.

154. elfyha+HG[view] [source] 2016-01-26 14:31:37
>>joelg+(OP)
"If you like somebody's work just go and see them. However, don't ask for their autograph. A lot of people came and asked me for my autograph and it's creepy." -- Marvin Minsky (https://youtu.be/qJZ_1a-t_sA?t=1543)
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166. Jupite+ri1[view] [source] [discussion] 2016-01-26 20:38:53
>>brudge+NH
I know very well that dang is a moderator. I had expected that a moderator would actually consider the site's own guidelines when someone displays what they describe in their own words as "regular aggression with sarcasm"+.

+ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10973857

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170. dTal+ZO1[view] [source] [discussion] 2016-01-27 02:46:08
>>dandre+9o
Someone posted this elsewhere in the thread:

https://web.archive.org/web/20120717041345/http://sch57.msk....

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