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1. earlyr+A9[view] [source] 2015-05-29 21:28:01
>>uptown+(OP)
Hard drugs are one of those things that have different consequences for different types of people.

An intelligent, wealthy, employable person can dabble with them, have a good time, and usually get away with it. Should they get addicted and screw up their lives, they can usually get help and bounce back without permanent consequences.

People who're a little less well-off intellectually and economically aren't so resilient. Should they get addicted to hard drugs and screw up their lives, they usually don't bounce back from it - their lives are ruined forever.

Since HN is full of intelligent, wealthy, employable people, the comments on this thread don't surprise me a bit. And yes, I agree that drug policy in the United States could stand to be reformed a little. But when evaluating the harm a person's actions can cause to society, I wish people would think a little more about not just themselves, but that vast chunk of society that's not lucky enough to not be as privileged as we are.

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2. hebdo+za[view] [source] 2015-05-29 21:38:43
>>earlyr+A9
This kind of rationalizations may ruin your entire life one day. You cannot and do not know where will any experimentation with drugs bring you to.

Remember that the first step of the twelve steps is "admitting that one cannot control one's alcoholism, addiction or compulsion". Finding reasons why you are more privileged than others makes this step even harder.

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3. jsprog+bc[view] [source] 2015-05-29 21:57:32
>>hebdo+za
12 steps has a pretty poor record.
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4. hebdo+Ec[view] [source] 2015-05-29 22:03:16
>>jsprog+bc
I'm not an expert here actually; do you know what could be considered a more reliable program? I find addictions very interesting, especially given the discovery of the FOSB protein.
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5. jsprog+5u[view] [source] 2015-05-30 03:47:13
>>hebdo+Ec
Anecdotally, there are many compounds/experiences that seem to be highly effective (even to the point of eliminating withdrawl symptoms): cannabis, ayhuasca/DMT, ibogaine, and other psychedelics.
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6. foobar+bD[view] [source] 2015-05-30 07:44:14
>>jsprog+5u
Anecdotally? Where does that come from, do you have any sources?

Also, withdrawal is not the major problem when combating addiction.

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7. jsprog+iR[view] [source] 2015-05-30 14:36:04
>>foobar+bD
I have not experienced it personally, nor do I personally know anyone who has experienced it.

I do personally know someone whom personally knows others who have directly experienced (high dose cannabis edibles for alcohol addiction). There are many claimed first, second, and third hand reports out on the Internet. There are also quite a few professional documentaries about the topic, many amatuer videos (directly capturing the experience and the people involved). I have also come across some peer reviewed literature as well.

I don't maintain a list of such reports and can't look for them at the moment, but they shouldn't be too difficult to find if you are interested.

It is not 100% effective. Some will definitly not change their behavior much, even though they claimed to want to.

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