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[return to "Ross Ulbricht Sentenced to Life in Prison"]
1. smhend+v1[view] [source] 2015-05-29 20:26:52
>>uptown+(OP)
That seems way too harsh to me. I have strong opinions on the US War on Drugs and it's failure to meaningful deal with drug use/abuse in the USA. And I feel even worse about how it's spilling out into the rest of the world as we go "global" with everything.

I can't say I know every detail of the case but I don't recall anyone getting killed or even hurt by Mr. Ulbricht so in my mind the punishment does not fit the crime. IMHO the death penalty should be off the table completely (go Nebraska!) and life in prison reserved for only violent offenders. You can argue that he enabled people to harm themselves but I think that's stretching it. If people want to take drugs, even take too much drugs their going to get it somewhere. If drugs were legal and treatment of abuse the focus instead of punishment Silk Road wouldn't have existed in the first place.

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2. drcode+o2[view] [source] 2015-05-29 20:31:59
>>smhend+v1
You have to understand that the "murder for hire" evidence was introduced as part of the trial (at which point Ross' lawyer could have disputed it, but didn't) so it could be used as part of the sentencing decision... and that kind of takes the luster off of the "non-violent crime" argument.
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3. Cantre+b3[view] [source] 2015-05-29 20:36:14
>>drcode+o2
Plus, it happened multiple times. Even if no one was actually killed the guy still tried to have multiple people killed.
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4. dewell+e7[view] [source] 2015-05-29 21:05:34
>>Cantre+b3
allegedly tried to have multiple people killed.

The prosecution brought this up at trial but he was not charged or convicted of this in the criminal trial.

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5. Alupis+q8[view] [source] 2015-05-29 21:15:35
>>dewell+e7
The people supposedly "murdered" never existed... the names did not belong to real people, nor did the photo id's match anyone of record, etc. It's a rumor that they were Fed baiting him... and likely why the Fed never tried to charge him on the murder-for-hire counts.
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6. redthr+U9[view] [source] 2015-05-29 21:30:29
>>Alupis+q8
You can still be charged with soliticing a minor if you happen to be a star on To Catch a Predator. Just because the minor in question never existed doesn't mean it's not a crime.
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7. themee+Fa[view] [source] 2015-05-29 21:39:42
>>redthr+U9
Is it not known as entrapment to present a false situation in order to get a conviction or indictment, even if it's to confirm on behalf of the target a tendency or willingness to participate in the activity were to be real - and illegal because of its implications for abuse and its lack of real damage?
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8. GreenC+Ub[view] [source] 2015-05-29 21:53:26
>>themee+Fa
Nope. Entrapment requires the police to have caused someone to commit a crime they wouldn't have otherwise. A good explanation of what counts as entrapment: http://thecriminallawyer.tumblr.com/post/19810672629/12-i-wa...
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9. themee+Bh[view] [source] 2015-05-29 23:06:35
>>GreenC+Ub
I'm not sure I really follow because the comics didn't describe anything that presumably would be entrapment.

Is anyone here a lawyer in this area of law? I don't really trust webcomics....

But let's talk about this alleged hitman situation. Didn't the police come up with the idea and create the situation where a third of a million dollars appeared to have been stolen and a volunteer appeared to defect with information and a threat to bring down the organization?

What exactly does count as coercion? If the police were to make your incentives work out a certain way - let's say they were aware that a non-call-girl was in dire straights was potentially willing to accept money for a personal night, they freeze her bank account and provide a good looking and safe opportunity with a load of cash to do it - would that count as compulsion?

Or is it just by appeal to words that counts as compulsion?

How can a court decide what you would have done otherwise?

It seems like a pretty difficult area of law - and one that the defendant could argue?

For the record I do not support trafficking of drugs and illegal materials, nor calling of hit men: but I do want to make sure that the tools to get a conviction do not further enshrine precedents that have fascistic qualities to them - e.g. parallel construction, entrapment, others.

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10. gknoy+2j[view] [source] 2015-05-29 23:30:52
>>themee+Bh

  > Is anyone here a lawyer in this area of law? I don't really trust webcomics....
I think you can trust this one. The author of the webcomic is a lawyer [0]:

" Yes. I went to Georgetown Law, where I was an editor of the American Criminal Law Review. I started out defending juveniles in D.C., then was a prosecutor with the Manhattan D.A.’s office for about 9.5 years, first in the Special Narcotics office and then in the Rackets bureau. I’ve been doing mostly criminal defense since then, both white-collar and street crime, federal and state. "

0: http://lawcomic.net/guide/?page_id=7

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