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1. jjcm+T1[view] [source] 2015-05-29 20:29:22
>>uptown+(OP)
It's interesting. On one hand, if a leader of a traditional drug distribution network landed a life in prison sentence, I wouldn't have thought twice about it. With Silkroad though, I'm actually convinced by the defendants argument: that it provided safer, more trustworthy drugs to users.

I've had friends who've died from purchasing bad drugs at raves from people who were looking to make money and run. In one situation it ended up being rat poison. The guy had other drugs in his system, and combined with the poison his body went into shock. With darknet markets and independent lab testing networks, this type of thing doesn't happen.

People are still going to use drugs. I'd rather law enforcement go after the guys who are selling rat poison at raves than the guys who are setting up safe distribution networks.

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2. cjense+54[view] [source] 2015-05-29 20:42:25
>>jjcm+T1
Harm reduction is a reasonable argument for a Country to make for changing its drug policies, or for a person to make in an effort to advocate for a change to a Country's laws.

It is not a reasonable argument for an individual to make to try to justify their illegal get-rich scheme.

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3. Cushma+z9[view] [source] 2015-05-29 21:27:56
>>cjense+54
It really is.

If the law is hurting people, and breaking the law helps people, it's completely reasonable to use that argument to morally justify your illegal behavior. I'd be interested to hear your argument why it is not.

Edit: Though to be clear that wouldn't work to justify all your illegal behavior, if that included like hypothetically trying to have someone killed.

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4. cjense+qb[view] [source] 2015-05-29 21:48:19
>>Cushma+z9
Since you specifically requested my argument...

I'd agree that lawbreaking is a reasonable moral choice, but not in this case. Moral lawbreaking, in my view, is done when there is a clear benefit or reason to the lawbreaking. And by clear I mean clear to a reasonable and moral person, and not just a speculative personal opinion.

Given that frame of reference, I would argue that (1) the notion that online drug dealing would lead to harm reduction for a drug addict is speculative rather than clear; (2) the harm caused by improved access to hard drugs by more potential addicts would be tremendous and therefore likely exceed any potential harm reduction; (3) given Ulbrict's apparent willingness to hire hitmen, I find it impossible to believe he was in any way motivated by concern for others.

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5. Cushma+1e[view] [source] 2015-05-29 22:20:46
>>cjense+qb
So then, you don't believe that harm reduction doesn't justify illegal activity, you just think what Silk Road specifically did doesn't qualify as "harm reduction"?

That's fine; I disagree, but I'm not interested in litigating it here. But your original parent actually was arguing along those lines, cf. "rat poison" et cetera, so perhaps you'd like to retroactively not reject that as "not a reasonable argument".

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6. cjense+Mi[view] [source] 2015-05-29 23:26:19
>>Cushma+1e
In the original, "not a reasonable argument" was specific to this instance. I try to avoid generalizations as one can almost always manage to find a corner case exception.
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