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1. michae+Hb[view] [source] 2015-05-22 23:35:59
>>jrs235+(OP)
Frequently employers are so casual about references they either a) don't check them, or b) only check the ones the prospective candidate gives them.

See, that's a problem. That stands out more than any of the good things that he might say. People talk and things come out and shit happens, but deliberately going behind someone's back for back-channel references is just plain unprofessional, if not unethical. This is the kind of behavior that has the rest of the country (in which ethical standards aren't seen as old-fart ideals to be "disrupted" but are actually considered important) thinking that we, in tech, are a bunch of immature psychopaths.

The back-channel reference check is an unprofessional show of power-- like waving a gun around at work-- because it takes social access to get any information out of it (people don't just offer candid opinions up to complete strangers). What's communicated by the back-channel reference check is "your colleagues are more loyal to me than to you". There's a fucking reason why people outside of tech consider it unprofessional and borderline unethical.

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2. SamRei+Af[view] [source] 2015-05-23 01:17:27
>>michae+Hb
> People talk and things come out and shit happens, but deliberately going behind someone's back for back-channel references is just plain unprofessional, if not unethical.

It's not unprofessional or unethical.

> The back-channel reference check is an unprofessional show of power-- like waving a gun around at work-- because it takes social access to get any information out of it

For it to be a show of power, such an action would have to involve "showing" something. It's actually an attempt to avoid hiring bad employees -- that's the benefit people get.

> (people don't just offer candid opinions up to complete strangers).

This merely raises the threshold of badness before they might offer negative information. If their coworker was bad enough, they would. And do.

> What's communicated by the back-channel reference check is "your colleagues are more loyal to me than to you".

The miscommunication is on your end.

(Also, your former colleagues don't owe you or some potential employer "loyalty.")

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3. throwa+fU[view] [source] 2015-05-23 20:00:44
>>SamRei+Af
If a former employer or colleague ever gave any of this information without me giving them as references I would be pissed. Maybe it is a cultural/personal thing (no FB, no G+, no twitter) but I take privacy VERY seriously and I expect people I deal with to do as well. If I have to provide a reference, I always contact the person first and ask if it is ok to give their details to the company that will contact them. I actually had a few people that asked me not to give their details (not due to the reference, but because of sharing contact details with people they don't know). On the other hand, I've been in the Bay Area for a bit, and seems everyone and their mother is happy to let everyone know every minute of their fucking lives, so I can understand why people think it isn't a big deal.
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