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1. jimbok+62[view] [source] 2008-01-04 22:30:40
>>chengm+(OP)
I see a lot of complaints about "platitudes" here, but I think this glosses over the impact of the Obama campaign.

There is not really much disagreement about what the important issues are. Get out of Iraq. Stop using fossil fuels. Get everyone affordable health insurance. Inflation and stagnant wages. There is a general consensus now that these are the U.S.'s big problems and we need pragmatic solutions to them. (The other consensus is that the Republican party has collapsed and needs to be removed from power as soon as possible.)

What Obama is offering is a way out of the broken record of baby boomer liberal vs. conservative rhetoric. If Hillary wins, we're in for 4 to 8 more years of the same old partisan story line that has played out since her husband was elected. Many Americans are more than sick of that and that is what Obama is appealing to and that is why he won.

And I think his attitude is basically right. More than specific policy proposals at this moment, Americans need a new mindset.

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2. Alex39+U2[view] [source] 2008-01-05 01:59:23
>>jimbok+62
Obama isn't mouthing platitudes because he thinks America needs a new mindset, he's doing it because by hiding his agenda he leaves us with nothing to disagree with. This is exactly the problem America is facing right now: the idea that ordinary people are too stupid to govern themselves and that we can't be trusted to know what's really going on. "Let the government take care of it, everything will be alright."

Well it's not alright.

These are the politics that got us the Iraq war. These are the politics that got us illegal wiretapping. These are the politics that make it legal for the government to kidnap you in the middle of the night and torture you until you're nothing but a shell of a man.

This isn't truth, it isn't change, it's bullshit demagoguery and it's more of the same.

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3. andrey+r3[view] [source] 2008-01-05 04:54:43
>>Alex39+U2
This isn't truth, it isn't change, it's bullshit demagoguery and it's more of the same.

It's a shame, yes, but apparently that's what wins elections. What needs to change for that not to be the case? Is better education (better funding people's access to higher education?) the solution? Although it may have some impact if people are generally more knowledgeable, I don't think it'll be a solution.

I think it's a broad enough to be safe to say that what is required is a change in our culture - but what kind of change, and how can it come about?

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