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1. swomba+ab[view] [source] 2013-11-26 11:45:02
>>jseip+(OP)
Hilarious that the original article was flagged off the front page, but this one isn't...

I find it very disheartening that the negative voices are being given so much weight. Everything that's worth doing will have detractors, and when it's something really worth doing it will have vocal detractors. Back when I had comments on my blog, every article I wrote that was any good had at least one person commenting that I was a moron or some equivalent statement.

Great things arouse passion - on both sides.

Giving 10x the power to the people on the negative side just creates an environment where new ideas are discouraged, where important but difficult discourse is pushed aside, where things of true import are penalised out of the group's attention by a few detractors.

There does need to be a system for flagging and removing spam articles, but if this system can (as it plainly regularly is) be co-opted to remove articles from sight just based on not liking them much, then it is broken. The people who have flagging powers are not responsible enough to use them wisely, perhaps.

I see at least one simple solution: lift the flagging privileges so it only becomes available to a much smaller segment of the population. Perhaps making the limit 10'000 instead of 500 would do that. That would still include hundreds of people, based on a quick extrapolation from https://news.ycombinator.com/leaders ). An even better model would be to make it dynamic - perhaps the top 200 commenters...

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2. kogir+lL[view] [source] 2013-11-26 17:39:48
>>swomba+ab
Just for the record, it was neither flagging nor manual moderation that caused it to drop off.
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3. gress+8W[view] [source] 2013-11-26 19:14:39
>>kogir+lL
What was it then?
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4. Crito+D01[view] [source] 2013-11-26 19:57:30
>>gress+8W
PG has said in the past that there is a flamewar detector, and that it suppresses discussions. In the past, this has been triggered on certain Microsoft related articles, which has caused several people to claim that there is some sort of ring of HN users who strategically flag articles about Microsoft off the page (and depending on who you ask, they also vote up Google articles). Ironically, it seems that at least some of the people making these claims were sock-puppeting themselves.

PG's comment explaining it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6596311

In fact this article does consider the flamewar detector. How accurate it is in it's claims, I do not know.

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5. twelve+521[view] [source] 2013-11-26 20:09:21
>>Crito+D01
so the outcome is 'flame people and the discussion you don't like will disappear'?
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6. pg+N31[view] [source] 2013-11-26 20:23:47
>>twelve+521
Except if you do that you risk being banned yourself.
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7. Uhhrrr+Z91[view] [source] 2013-11-26 21:23:01
>>pg+N31
'Flame people with a throwaway and the discussion you don't like will disappear'?
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