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1. 5ersi+k44[view] [source] 2026-02-02 23:23:38
>>PaulHo+(OP)
It uses phase change (solid to liquid) to store heat at about 200 kJ/kg. Compare this to heating water in a boiler from 10c to 60c - stores 209 kJ/kg.

So we already have an effective way to store heat which can work for decades without servicing and is also cheap to produce (in terms of money and energy consumption).

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2. jcattl+Df5[view] [source] 2026-02-03 08:37:23
>>5ersi+k44
Does heating water in a boiler work well with a heat pump? How about a release of energy 10 hours later (peak solar at noon, to first shower the next morning)?

I actually don't know the answer. I'm just thinking that there must be more to it, if the answer was as simple as "just heat water".

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3. moooo9+ki5[view] [source] 2026-02-03 08:57:03
>>jcattl+Df5
It does. However, the hotter the water becomes, the less effective the heatpump becomes. With anything beyond 60C becoming very inefficient.

With hot water tanks, they are unfortunately pretty badly insulated as well, with some of them loosing heat very quickly. Depending on how you plan on using that water, you also have to make sure the temperature never dips below ~60C to avoid legionella from spreading.

I actually think that heating your home slighly higher than you‘d usually do is the simplest and most effective approach, assuming it is properly insulated. Just rise the target temp for 1-2C when the energy is cheap and reset it once it isn‘t. Probably not as efficient, but extremely simple to implement.

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4. Ineffa+Qk6[view] [source] 2026-02-03 15:43:51
>>moooo9+ki5
The legionella thing is a little overblown fwiw. 50 degrees is perfectly adequate, and you can go lower with very little risk if you set it to briefly bump up to 60 every week or two. Even that is not hugely necessary in a domestic setting.

https://www.heatgeek.com/articles/legionella-and-water-tempe...

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5. moooo9+6bh[view] [source] 2026-02-06 15:35:03
>>Ineffa+Qk6
This is a heavy depends. Primarily on how well insulated throughout your home your waterlines are and how frequently they are used.

If you only have 50C in your tank and badly insulated lines, your temperature can dip below 50V very easily where legionella feel really comfortable.

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