zlacker

[return to "Data centers in space makes no sense"]
1. beloch+kK[view] [source] 2026-02-03 23:33:46
>>ajyoon+(OP)
I would not assume cooling has been worked out.

Space is a vacuum. i.e. The lack-of-a-thing that makes a thermos great at keeping your drink hot. A satellite is, if nothing else, a fantastic thermos. A data center in space would necessarily rely completely on cooling by radiation, unlike a terrestrial data center that can make use of convection and conduction. You can't just pipe heat out into the atmosphere or build a heat exchanger. You can't exchange heat with vacuum. You can only radiate heat into it.

Heat is going to limit the compute that can be done in a satellite data centre and radiative cooling solutions are going to massively increase weight. It makes far more sense to build data centers in the arctic.

Musk is up to something here. This could be another hyperloop (i.e. A distracting promise meant to sabotage competition). It could be a legal dodge. It could be a power grab. What it will not be is a useful source of computing power. Anyone who takes this venture seriously is probably going to be burned.

◧◩
2. aunty_+vM[view] [source] 2026-02-03 23:43:41
>>beloch+kK
The equation has a ^4 to the temperature. If you raise the temperature of your radiator by ~50 degrees you double its emission capacity. This is well within the range of specialised phase change compressors, aka fancy air conditioning pumps.

Next up in the equation is surface emissivity which we’ve got a lot of experience in the automotive sector.

And finally surface area, once again, getting quite good here with nanotechnology.

Yes he’s distracting, no it’s not as impossible as many people think.

◧◩◪
3. stackg+ca1[view] [source] 2026-02-04 02:16:41
>>aunty_+vM
Even if you create a material with surface emissivity of 1.0:

- let's say 8x 800W GPUs and neglect the CPU, that's 6400W

- let's further assume the PSU is 100% efficient

- let's also assume that you allow the server hardware to run at 77 degrees C, or 350K, which is already pretty hot for modern datacenter chips.

Your radiator would need to dissipate those 6400W, requiring it to be almost 8 square meters in size. That's a lot of launch mass. Adding 50 degrees will reduce your required area to only about 4.4 square meters with the consequence that chip temps will rise by 50 degrees also, putting them at 127 degrees C.

No CPU I'm aware of can run at those temps for very long and most modern chips will start to self throttle above about 100

◧◩◪◨
4. aunty_+lf1[view] [source] 2026-02-04 02:59:22
>>stackg+ca1
Hence the fancy air conditioning pumps
◧◩◪◨⬒
5. stackg+Hj1[view] [source] 2026-02-04 03:39:14
>>aunty_+lf1
... on satellites?
◧◩◪◨⬒⬓
6. aunty_+rv1[view] [source] 2026-02-04 05:40:20
>>stackg+Hj1
Yes, that’s what we’re talking about. Data centers in space.

You put the cold side of the phase change on the internal cooling loop, step up the external cooling loop as high temp as you can and then circulate that through the radiators. You might even do this step up more than once.

Imagine the data center like a box, you want it to be cold inside, and there’s a compressor, you use to transfer heat from inside to outside, the outside gets hot, inside cold. You then put a radiator on the back of the box and radiate the heat to the darkness of space.

This is all very dependent on the biggest and cheapest rockets in the world but it’s a tradeoff of convenience and serviceability for unlimited free energy.

◧◩◪◨⬒⬓⬔
7. abenga+uA1[view] [source] 2026-02-04 06:27:35
>>aunty_+rv1
Why not use the unlimited free energy on terrestrial data centers then? You can use solar power as we speak, no?
◧◩◪◨⬒⬓⬔⧯
8. aunty_+xp2[view] [source] 2026-02-04 13:07:09
>>abenga+uA1
Because the sun hides at night. Scientists have yet to figure out where he goes. Until that happens it’s not a great power source.
◧◩◪◨⬒⬓⬔⧯▣
9. direwo+Wq2[view] [source] 2026-02-04 13:16:38
>>aunty_+xp2
What do the satellites do in earth's shadow?
◧◩◪◨⬒⬓⬔⧯▣▦
10. aunty_+EM2[view] [source] 2026-02-04 15:13:17
>>direwo+Wq2
Polar orbit. We’re already doing this.
◧◩◪◨⬒⬓⬔⧯▣▦▧
11. direwo+Fm4[view] [source] 2026-02-04 22:37:11
>>aunty_+EM2
What do they do in earth's shadow in a polar orbit?
[go to top]