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>>jernes+(OP)
I don't get it.

I think just as hard, I type less. I specify precisely and I review.

If anything, all we've changed is working at a higher level. The product is the same.

But these people just keep mixing things up like "wow I got a ferrari now, watch it fly off the road!"

Yeah so you got a tools upgrade; it's faster, it's more powerful. Keep it on the road or give up driving!

We went from auto completing keywords, to auto completing symbols, to auto completing statements, to auto completing paragraphs, to auto completing entire features.

Because it happened so fast, people feel the need to rename programming every week. We either vibe coders now, or agentic coders or ... or just programmers hey. You know why? I write in C, I get machine code, I didn't write the machine code! It was all an abstraction!

Oh but it's not the same you say, it changes every time you ask. Yes, for now, it's still wonky and janky in places. It's just a stepping stone.

Just chill, it's programming. The tools just got even better.

You can still jump on a camel and cross the desert in 3 days. Have at it, you risk dying, but enjoy. Or you can just rent a helicopter and fly over the damn thing in a few hours. Your choice. Don't let people tell you it isn't travelling.

We're all Linus Torvalds now. We review, we merge, we send back. And if you had no idea what you were doing before, you'll still have no idea what you're doing today. You just fat-finger less typos today than ever before.

>>keyle+i7
except the thing does not work as expected and it just makes you worse not better

>>josean+S7
Comments like these are why I don't browse HN nearly ever anymore

>>beebma+P8
Nothing new. Whenever a new layer of abstraction is added, people say it's worse and will never be as good as the old way. Though it's a totally biased opinion, we just have issues with giving up things we like as human being.

>>w4yai+Le
> Whenever a new layer of abstraction is added

LLMs aren't a "layer of abstraction."

99% of people writing in assembly don't have to drop down into manual cobbling of machine code. People who write in C rarely drop into assembly. Java developers typically treat the JVM as "the computer." In the OSI network stack, developers writing at level 7 (application layer) almost never drop to level 5 (session layer), and virtually no one even bothers to understand the magic at layers 1 & 2. These all represent successful, effective abstractions for developers.

In contrast, unless you believe 99% of "software development" is about to be replaced with "vibe coding", it's off the mark to describe LLMs as a new layer of abstraction.

>>roadbu+2s
> unless you believe 99% of "software development" is about to be replaced with "vibe coding"

Probably not vibe coding, but most certainly with some AI automation