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>>daniel+(OP)
I kind of lost interest in local models. Then Anthropic started saying I’m not allowed to use my Claude Code subscription with my preferred tools and it reminded me why we need to support open tools and models. I’ve cancelled my CC subscription, I’m not paying to support anticompetitive behaviour.

>>cedws+ag
I do wonder if they locked things down due to people abusing their CC token.

>>gianca+tk
I buy the theory that Claude Code is engineered to use things like token caching efficiently, and their Claude Max plans were designed with those optimizations in mind.

If people start using the Claude Max plans with other agent harnesses that don't use the same kinds of optimizations the economics may no longer have worked out.

(But I also buy that they're going for horizontal control of the stack here and banning other agent harnesses was a competitive move to support that.)

>>simonw+qs
Absolutely. I installed clawdbot for just long enough to send a single message, and it burned through almost a quarter of my session allowance. That was enough for me. Meanwhile I can use CC comfortably for a few hours and I've only hit my token limit a few times.

I've had a similar experience with opencode, but I find that works better with my local models anyway.

>>volker+Kt
I used it for a few mins and it burned 7M tokens. Wish there was a way to see where it's going!

(There probably is, but I found it very hard to make sense of the UI and how everything works. Hard to change models, no chat history etc.?)

>>andai+RO
I have a feeling the different harnesses create new context windows instead of using one. The more context windows you open up with Claude the quicker your usage goes poof.