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1. JCatth+qb[view] [source] 2026-02-02 18:39:00
>>cf100c+(OP)
> Understanding the boot process is a big part of that. systemd is about 1678 "C" files plus many data files. System V is "22" C files plus about 50 short bash scripts and data files.

Systemd is basically the Windowsfication of Linux. I'm always surprised by the people that champion it who also used to shit on Windows with the registry or whatever.

Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a thing.

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2. BadBad+8N3[view] [source] 2026-02-03 16:45:55
>>JCatth+qb
It is not cognitive dissonance to learn from others. The pluggable nature of Linux makes developer lifes harder. They have to write wrappers and abstractions to use base functionality. Having a unified api surface is very attractive.

Windows did something right because you can run very old binaries on a new system. Good luck doing that on Linux.

In the end for most people Linux is not an intellectual exercise in freedom but a tool to get work done and systemd is pretty good at that and is getting better.

And another important point: systemd is still lgpl licensed software. There is literally no legal way for someone to rug pull it. So if it works and brings a benefit it might be a good thing to start to depend on it. Just like we depend on the GNU tools.

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3. JCatth+8s4[view] [source] 2026-02-03 19:25:54
>>BadBad+8N3
> It is not cognitive dissonance to learn from others.

I didn't say it was. I said it was to attack one binary blob abstraction while embracing another.

> Windows did something right because you can run very old binaries on a new system. Good luck doing that on Linux.

I agree, but that's entirely irrelevant.

> systemd ... works and brings a benefit it might be a good thing to start to depend on it.

We have very different philosophies, you and I.

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4. BadBad+zx4[view] [source] 2026-02-03 19:50:43
>>JCatth+8s4
> I said it was to attack one binary blob abstraction while embracing another.

You didn't say that but even if you meant that systemd is an open source project and it has multiple components. It is not just a binary blob. It is a coherent framework for basic system services. It is pick and choose for the most part. Most distro choose to use all of it.

I still disagree that liking systemd and disliking windows is incompatible. Windows is a closed source project, developed without much external input that has a clear monetary incentives that are often user hostile. The way it's system api works is rarely the reason for criticizing it.

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