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1. vessen+ue[view] [source] 2026-02-03 11:59:58
>>vikave+(OP)
Interesting. This is basically the second enforcement on speech / images that France has done - first was Pavel Durov @ Telegram. He eventually made changes in Telegram's moderation infrastructure and I think was allowed to leave France sometime last year.

I don't love heavy-handed enforcement on speech issues, but I do really like a heterogenous cultural situation, so I think it's interesting and probably to the overall good to have a country pushing on these matters very hard, just as a matter of keeping a diverse set of global standards, something that adds cultural resilience for humanity.

linkedin is not a replacement for twitter, though. I'm curious if they'll come back post-settlement.

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2. tokai+Ll[view] [source] 2026-02-03 12:46:58
>>vessen+ue
In what world is generating CSAM a speech issue? Its really doing a disservice to actual free speech issues to frame it was such.
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3. logicc+km[view] [source] 2026-02-03 12:51:30
>>tokai+Ll
The point of banning real CSAM is to stop the production of it, because the production is inherently harmful. The production of AI or human generated CSAM-like images does not inherently require the harm of children, so it's fundamentally a different consideration. That's why some countries, notably Japan, allow the production of hand-drawn material that in the US would be considered CSAM.
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4. cwillu+Fu[view] [source] 2026-02-03 13:45:43
>>logicc+km
If libeling real people is a harm to those people, then altering photos of real children is certainly also a harm to those children.
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5. whamla+lJ[view] [source] 2026-02-03 15:01:18
>>cwillu+Fu
I'm strongly against CSAM but I will say this analogy doesn't quite hold (though the values behind it does)

Libel must be as assertion that is not true. Photoshopping or AIing someone isn't an assertion of something untrue. It's more the equivalent of saying "What if this is true?" which is perfectly legal

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6. cwillu+qb1[view] [source] 2026-02-03 16:54:28
>>whamla+lJ
“ 298 (1) A defamatory libel is matter published, without lawful justification or excuse, that is likely to injure the reputation of any person by exposing him to hatred, contempt or ridicule, or that is designed to insult the person of or concerning whom it is published.

    Marginal note:Mode of expression

    (2) A defamatory libel may be expressed directly or by insinuation or irony

        (a) in words legibly marked on any substance; or

        (b) by any object signifying a defamatory libel otherwise than by words.”
It doesn't have to be an assertion, or even a written statement.
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7. 93po+ck1[view] [source] 2026-02-03 17:33:11
>>cwillu+qb1
You're quoting Canadian law.

In the US it varies by state but generally requires:

A false statement of fact (not opinion, hyperbole, or pure insinuation without a provably false factual core).

Publication to a third party.

Fault

Harm to reputation

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In the US it is required that it is written (or in a fixed form). If it's not written (fixed), it's slander, not libel.

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8. cwillu+uH1[view] [source] 2026-02-03 18:59:12
>>93po+ck1
The relevant jurisdiction isn't the US either.
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