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1. cf100c+n[view] [source] 2026-02-02 17:47:14
>>cf100c+(OP)
This is a mindblower. To quote Bruce Dubbs:

''As a personal note, I do not like this decision. To me LFS is about learning how a system works. Understanding the boot process is a big part of that. systemd is about 1678 "C" files plus many data files. System V is "22" C files plus about 50 short bash scripts and data files. Yes, systemd provides a lot of capabilities, but we will be losing some things I consider important.

However, the decision needs to be made.''

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2. soldou+a6[view] [source] 2026-02-02 18:14:49
>>cf100c+n
I am looking forward to UnixFromScratch and Year of Unix on the desktop as Linux more and more sells itself out to the overstuffed software virus that is System D.
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3. procon+D9[view] [source] 2026-02-02 18:30:34
>>soldou+a6
I know this is a bit tongue in cheek, but the systemd hate is so old and tiresome at this point.

I need my systems to work. Not once in my career have I experienced a showstopping issue with systemd. I cannot say the same for sysV.

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4. Brian_+ru[view] [source] 2026-02-02 20:07:47
>>procon+D9
I can absolutely say that I've never had a showstopping problem with sysv. That is about 30 years as a unix & linux admin and developer.

The whole point of sysv is the components are too small and too simple to make it possible for "showstoppers". Each component, including init, does so little that there is no room for it to do something wrong that you as the end user at run-time don't have the final power to both diagnose and address. And to do so in a approximately infinite different ways that the original authors never had to try to think up and account for ahead of time.

You have god power to see into the workings, and modify them, 50 years later in some crazy new context that the original authors never imagined. Which is exactly why they did it that way, not by accident nor because it was cave man times and they would invent fancier wheels later.

You're tired of hearing complaints? People still complain because the problem did not go away. I'm tired of still having to live with the fact that all the major distros bought in to this crap and by now a lot of individual packages don't even pretend to support any other option, and my choices are now to eat this crap or go off and live in some totally unsupported hut in the wilderness.

You can just go on suffering the intolerable boring complaints as far as I'm concerned until you grow some consideration for anyone else to earn some for yourself.

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5. pjmlp+7h2[view] [source] 2026-02-03 07:10:26
>>Brian_+ru
The original authors went on to design Plan 9 and Inferno, and did not in any means consider UNIX perfect.

Also Linux is trailing here Solaris, OS X, Aix,...

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6. its_ma+6g4[view] [source] 2026-02-03 18:38:48
>>pjmlp+7h2
Your points are well taken. Linux is far from perfect and people shouldn't worship it. sysvinit is inferior to BSD init in my view and there are other questionable design decisions.

The biggest problem is that people are being railroaded into one thing or the other by the strong arm of corporations instead of being given options. My system helps with that.

I won't support systemd/wayland/etc, but others easily can add that in to their version of the distro if they like and support it themselves without too much work, as it's designed to be forked by anyone.

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