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1. Simian+r8[view] [source] 2026-02-02 22:21:20
>>g-mork+(OP)
The Goalpost shift continues, If elon were working for me, I would have fired him for having never delivered on any of his projects.

Hyperloop > Neuralink > Self-Driving Cars > Robotaxi fleets > Personal Robots > Orbital Datacenters > [Insert next]

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2. qaq+Zd[view] [source] 2026-02-02 22:40:15
>>Simian+r8
hmm Tesla shipped millions of cars SpaceX launches 90% of space payloads, Starlink is working well. Thats hard to categorize as never delivered on any of his projects
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3. Jumpin+Wj[view] [source] 2026-02-02 23:01:29
>>qaq+Zd
The projects promised to be life altering for all mankind, they ended up being not even life altering for super rich Americans considering that Teslas are just EVs which without FSD are just regular cars with a different propellent that were made for political purposes and virtue signaling

The EV revolution has always been something almost dystopic : Trillions of dollars spent in order to not have the slightest amount of quality of life improvement, if anything a worse quality of life because you buy an EV that you cannot use 24/7/365 whereas you can an ICE car for much less .

As soon as something kinda elegant and hopeful as far as collective quality of life improvement is concerned (AI/ChatGPT) came around.....the whole green/EV revolution rightfully went out the window

If Musk was this genius you guys make him to be at 50 and with all the capital he burned he should have at least one company that if you disappeared the world would look drastically different, like if you disappeared Microsoft or Apple or Exxon or Aramco or Amazon or IBM....the world would come to a screeching halt.

Disappear one of Musk companies and everything would be the same as he's always involved in these sort of aspirational companies which have this great vision always 5 years into the future that never materialize into anything tangible or that improves the quality of life like the company I mentioned earlier

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4. qaq+tp[view] [source] 2026-02-02 23:26:26
>>Jumpin+Wj
well Tesla did jump start the EV revolution not life altering but is pretty important. IF SpaceX gets spaceship right that will be a huge leap forward.
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5. bigwhe+2u[view] [source] 2026-02-02 23:47:04
>>qaq+tp
Sir, your comment appears to qualify as "moving the goal post". TSLA never delivered a single inexpensive electric vehicle, and just last week abandoned all high-end efforts (S/X/CT discontinued). All TSLA manufactures now are overpriced "meh" transport boxes. Yes, TSLA was early, and now they are far, far behind the competition.

Can we evaluate based on the stated goals, or why does the criteria keep shifting?

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6. qaq+BT[view] [source] 2026-02-03 02:26:32
>>bigwhe+2u
Tesla's goal was to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy by building a comprehensive ecosystem of electric vehicles (EVs), solar generation, and battery storage.

Looks to me they delivered on 2 of the 3

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7. Jumpin+HV1[view] [source] 2026-02-03 11:28:12
>>qaq+BT
Yeah keep believing that...they wanted to become the Standard oil / Microsoft of EVs.

But they failed to achieve the market share of Microsoft and not to mention the lackuster significance of EVs compared to Personal Computers and GUI

You can attack Tesla and Musk from 1000s different angles due to their shananigans except the one true badge of honor for a company and CEO:

Sherman Act / Anti Trust for 90+ % market share in a sector which ought to be competitive

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8. qaq+o52[view] [source] 2026-02-03 12:29:13
>>Jumpin+HV1
You provided literally 0 arguments to outline how they failed to achieve their stated goals.
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9. Jumpin+xl2[view] [source] 2026-02-03 14:11:20
>>qaq+o52
It's implied. Everybody who does startups is competitive. Everybody who does a startup in SV is hypercompetitive.

You think the goal was to be the first through the glass take all the cuts that go with it and then pave the way for BYD ?

Tesla is no Apple, no Microsoft no Standard Oil. Valuations might make superficial people think that it , but it ain't

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10. qaq+6x2[view] [source] 2026-02-03 15:09:25
>>Jumpin+xl2
I explicitly posted their stated goal and you are resorting to extreme mental gymnastics to create a straw man. under 0.01% of all startups reach valuation of 10B less than 0.0001% of startups reach valuation of 100B
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11. Jumpin+vJ2[view] [source] 2026-02-03 16:00:01
>>qaq+6x2
Tesla is no longer a startup.

Again, tech company, startup, visionary...all these definitions are being used but in reality we are talking about a company founded back in 2001

Also I specifically stated that people who look at valuations are those who fall for narratives as opposed to looking look the impact that a company or a product has on their lives.

I remember life before Microsoft's Windows 95, I remember life before the iPhone, before Google, I remember life before Facebook, I remember life before Amazon became ubuquitous, before Uber....

It was a completely different world, much more friction , lots of quality of life wasted by that friction.

Life before and after Tesla? It's the same....hence they failed to leave a mark on society like the aforementioned companies and fell back on financial engineering , cult leadership, cult following and politics as well as hostile takeover of the US governemnt.

You speak about valuation but if we want to use dollars as a unit of measure then what impact did Tesla have as a company on the quality of life of citizens considering the amount of capital it allocated or rather incinirated ever since 2001? Very few companies enjoyed the right to spend so much, where's the quality of life dividend for citizens?

Where's the Windows 95, where's the CHatGPT which changes things and makes people question how they managed to live productive lives before it came about? Nowhere to be seen

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12. qaq+c53[view] [source] 2026-02-03 17:29:07
>>Jumpin+vJ2
OK how all of these mental gymnastics relate to the claim the have not fulfilled their goals? Maybe they have not fulfilled your goals but they look to have fulfilled 2 of their 3 stated goals.
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13. Jumpin+dk3[view] [source] 2026-02-03 18:24:37
>>qaq+c53
Goals are PR, In the last couple of messages you keep repeating goals , goals goals, as if their PR efforts should dictate if they are considered a success or a failure.

When you burn through hundreds of billions of dollars in capital in a very public manner you don't get to pick the goal, the goal gets to pick you and it's the following, and it's for everybody not just Musk or Tesla:

"Absolute domination in a new sector of the economy which changes the life of citizens so much so that they cannot fathom going back to life before such new tech/product' introduction and subsequent intervention of Government for Sherman act purposes / Anti Trust"

None of that will ever come to fruition as it was the wrong crusade to begin with considering that the population never really deeply wanted it and so it is being rightfully abandoned.

Considering the cultish nature of Tesla I'll make the following comparision:

If Companies logos are the new cross/star of david/ insert religious symbol then Tesla failed in their crusade. The remains of the wrong crusade enterprise is being picked up by others who might or might not get some satisfaction and returns out if it.

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