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1. cf100c+n[view] [source] 2026-02-02 17:47:14
>>cf100c+(OP)
This is a mindblower. To quote Bruce Dubbs:

''As a personal note, I do not like this decision. To me LFS is about learning how a system works. Understanding the boot process is a big part of that. systemd is about 1678 "C" files plus many data files. System V is "22" C files plus about 50 short bash scripts and data files. Yes, systemd provides a lot of capabilities, but we will be losing some things I consider important.

However, the decision needs to be made.''

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2. nine_k+gr[view] [source] 2026-02-02 19:56:14
>>cf100c+n
Runit is 5474 SLOCs. Most source files are shorter than 100 lines. Works like a charm. Implements an init system; does not replace DNS, syslog, inetd, or anything else.

Systemd, by construction, is a set of Unix-replacing daemons. An ideal embedded system setup is kernel, systemd, and the containers it runs (even without podman). This makes sense, especially given the Red Hat's line of business, but it has little relation to the Unix design, or to learning how to do things from scratch.

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3. pjmlp+Mc2[view] [source] 2026-02-03 06:32:42
>>nine_k+gr
I love how people worship UNIX design in Linux circles, especially when complaining about decisions where Linux is catching up with commercial UNIXes, as in the init systems replacements.

UNIX design was so great that its authors did two other operating systems trying to make UNIX done right.

One of the few times I agree with Rob Pike,

> We really are using a 1970s era operating system well past its sell-by date. We get a lot done, and we have fun, but let's face it, the fundamental design of Unix is older than many of the readers of Slashdot, while lots of different, great ideas about computing and networks have been developed in the last 30 years. Using Unix is the computing equivalent of listening only to music by David Cassidy.

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4. rusk+ah2[view] [source] 2026-02-03 07:10:38
>>pjmlp+Mc2
> We really are using a 1970s era

1970 Anno Domini no less

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5. pjmlp+Zi2[view] [source] 2026-02-03 07:25:42
>>rusk+ah2
Making it even more so of a religion.

UNIX is only an OS with some good ideas, and also plenty of bad ones.

No reason to stick with it ad eternum as some kind of holy scriptures.

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6. wobfan+6F2[view] [source] 2026-02-03 10:16:19
>>pjmlp+Zi2
The article is not about UNIX, what's good and bad, but what's better for understanding Linux. And replacing SysVInit with systemd is, objectively, bad for understand the core of Linux. And this is the core of LFS.

Discussing whether UNIX is good or bad seems narrow-minded, as there is no solution to that. It's like discussing whether iOS is better than Android. We can always isolate some specific parts and discuss that, but just slashing the whole concept doesn't help anyone and rarely yields any meaningful results.

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7. Someon+hK2[view] [source] 2026-02-03 11:02:35
>>wobfan+6F2
> And replacing SysVInit with systemd is, objectively, bad for understand the core of Linux.

I know there are strong opinions on this, but isn’t systemd part of the core of most Linux desktops nowadays?

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8. Gud+ZM2[view] [source] 2026-02-03 11:24:28
>>Someon+hK2
Unfortunately yes
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