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>>janand+(OP)
Haha, excellent timing:

I opened HN just now because:

1. I got tired of waiting 2h for my app to get notarized because

2. I can't sell it on the AppStore in the EU... because

3. the AppStore Connect page gets stuck at their DSA compliance form (it's been 10 days).

And, to add insult to injury, the whole thing could be a PWA, without any compromises in the UX whatsoever.

I misread the title, but I still posted this comment as an example of confirmation bias* in the orange book for posteriority. Time to step away from the computer!

* (sunk cost fallacy)

>>rpastu+79
I use PWAs on iOS and they're pretty great. That was the original plan for apps on iOS, before Apple was pressured into creating an app store.

>>epista+yb
Who pressured Apple and why?

I had nor even heard of app stores before then IIRC unless you count Linux repos.

>>graeme+Oc
> While originally developing iPhone prior to its unveiling in 2007, Apple CEO Steve Jobs did not intend to let third-party developers build native apps for iOS, instead directing them to make web applications for the Safari web browser.[10] However, backlash from developers prompted the company to reconsider,[10] with Jobs announcing in October 2007 that Apple would have a software development kit available for developers by February 2008.[11][12]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/App_Store_(Apple)

>>epista+ad
And the irony of this is that a lot of the apps in the app store are hybrid apps that are basically web apps with a thin native wrapper around them because it's just so much less of a hassle to develop for both iOS and Android that way and because, if you're coming at it as an outsider, Swift is such a ball-ache to deal with compared to other languages and stacks.

So PWAs would have been more than fine but, unfortunately, that ship has long since sailed, and Apple make way too much money out of the app store for a course change.

>>bartre+fe
It came out in the Epic vs Apple trial that 90% of App Store revenue comes from in app purchases of pay to win games. The only money Apple is making from these “could have been a web app” apps are for things like Uber where you can use Apple Pay (not in app purchases)- that has the same credit card fees regardless.

If it’s only mean old Apple, where are all of the great Android PWAs and why do developers decide to make native Android apps?

>>raw_an+Tl
answer: adblocking in the browser (and other data scavenging which can be done with native app more easily than PWA)

>>dogmat+nQ
What “data scavenging” can be done with an iOS app without the user explicitly giving the app permission?

>>raw_an+XR
User permission has little to do with it. Every input box has an error rate. If 1%-5% make the wrong choice, there is your data.

That's why people make apps that collect things even none of the users want them to. And if you can justify the permission box with some actual functionality, then it just increases the 1% to a far higher conversion rate.

>>epista+Mw3
And every permission available in apps there is probably a web standard for it…

There are literally dozens of ways to track web users that are not available in apps without explicit user permission