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1. vladms+Xc[view] [source] 2026-01-29 14:43:32
>>bookof+(OP)
Quoting from the article "But here’s a question about Papua New Guinea: how many people live there? The answer should be pretty simple."

That sounds a very strange expectation. Most of my life post university I realized most of questions have complex answers, it is never as simple as you expect.

If the author would check how things biology and medicine work currently, I think he will have even more surprises than the fact that counting populations is an approximate endeavor.

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2. evan_a+6i[view] [source] 2026-01-29 15:04:25
>>vladms+Xc
This is a literary device. The article continues to explain why this isn’t a simple problem, and it’s clear from the conclusion that the author understands the complexity.

>But it’s good to be reminded that we know a lot less about the world than we think. Much of our thinking about the world runs on a statistical edifice of extraordinary complexity, in which raw numbers—like population counts, but also many others—are only the most basic inputs. Thinking about the actual construction of these numbers is important, because it encourages us to have a healthy degree of epistemic humility about the world: we really know much less than we think.

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3. PlatoI+Qc2[view] [source] 2026-01-29 23:40:44
>>evan_a+6i
As someone who reads epistemology for fun. Its so much worse than you know.

Everything is basically a theory only judged on predictive capabilities. Even the idea that Earth is not at the center of the solar system is a judgement call of what we define as the solar system and center.

The math is simpler sure, but its arbitrary how we define our systems.

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4. lotsof+Se2[view] [source] 2026-01-29 23:51:21
>>PlatoI+Qc2
You lost me with your example. What could the word center mean if the thing that all the other things orbit around in the solar system is not referred to as being in the center?
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5. PlatoI+Ni2[view] [source] 2026-01-30 00:14:29
>>lotsof+Se2
They orbit the earth in a different shape that is more complex than an ellipse.

For further reading, I like Early Wittgenstein, but warning, he is a meme for a reason, you will only understand 10%...

Imagine we have a table with black and white splotches. We could use a square fishnet with a fine enough resolution to accurately describe it. But why use a square fishnet? Why not use hexagons? They both can accurately describe it with a fine enough resolution.

All of science is built on this first step of choosing (squares or hexagons).

Maybe something easier than Wittgenstein, there is Waltz Theory of International Politics, specifically chapter 1. But that is more practical/applied than metaphysical. I find this a difficult topic to recommend a wikipedia article, as they are too specific to each type of knowledge and don't explain the general topic. Even the general topic gets a bit lost in the weeds. Maybe Karl Popper too.

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6. Dylan1+6G2[view] [source] 2026-01-30 03:48:20
>>PlatoI+Ni2
> They orbit the earth in a different shape that is more complex than an ellipse.

But they don't. We know they don't. Not unless you use a weird definition of orbit that is very different from the one lotsofpulp was using. And if you do that you're not countering their argument, you're misconstruing it.

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7. TeMPOr+H83[view] [source] 2026-01-30 09:00:24
>>Dylan1+6G2
We know they do. An orbit is a mathematical object, and elliptical orbits only exist in universes that have exactly two objects with mass in them. Add another object, even far away, and as far as we know[0] we no longer even have a closed-form description of resulting motion patterns.

And our universe has tons of matter with gravitational mass everywhere, few other types of interaction beyond gravity, and a vacuum that just doesn't want to stay empty.

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[0] - Not sure if this was mathematically proven, or merely remains not disproven.

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8. Dylan1+lU4[view] [source] 2026-01-30 19:39:55
>>TeMPOr+H83
When I said "don't" I was talking about the complex shape that applies to orbiting the Earth, old school epicycles.

Actual orbits being slightly off ellipses isn't what I meant.

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