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1. messe+qf[view] [source] 2026-01-25 21:55:58
>>mickle+(OP)
This should not have been flagged off the front page.

I really worry for the people in the US, but I'm hopeful it's hegemony is ending.

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2. mickle+Yl[view] [source] 2026-01-25 22:28:50
>>messe+qf
I really wish there was more transparency around mod actions
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3. dang+EV[view] [source] 2026-01-26 03:07:59
>>mickle+Yl
Let me see if I can outline how we approach this in a way that might make sense to you...

People use the word "transparency" to mean different things. Here are the ways in which I think it's fair to say we're transparent about mod actions: (1) we explain the principles that we apply, frequently and at length; and (2) we're happy to answer questions, including about specific cases.

What we don't do is publish a complete moderation log. To understand why, it's probably easiest to look through my past answers about this at https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu.... Here's one: >>39234189 .

In our experience, the current approach is a reasonable balance between the tradeoffs. It's true that we don't see all the comments like the ones you posted here, and we can't address what we don't see. It's also true that, as volume has grown, we've found it harder to reply to absolutely every question. But it's still eminently possible to get an answer if you want one—especially if you're asking in a way that signals good faith*.

(*I add the latter bit because some people use the format of "asking a question" as way of being aggressive and in such cases we may respond otherwise than by taking the question literally. That's pretty rare though.)

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4. zzleep+yW[view] [source] 2026-01-26 03:15:02
>>dang+EV
The problem is that a relatively small group of people (flaggers) just veto what we see and don't see. This made sense when we relied on flagging to just remove spam, useless posts, etc. but its now being used to remove anything that goes against MAGA.

I'm pretty sure that if you sqldump the list of flaggers of this and other posts (like the MN posts) you will find it's not a uniformly distributed list of users.

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5. dang+OW[view] [source] 2026-01-26 03:18:25
>>zzleep+yW
You've replied before I even had a chance to add a second sentence! Edit: admittedly it is taking longer than usual...

I've answered that point many times, e.g. recently here: >>46378818 . If you take a look at that and have a question that isn't answered there (or here), I'd be happy to take a crack at it.

I haven't had a chance to look at the flaggers of these recent stories to verify that they fit the same pattern, but the pattern is so well-established that it would be shocking if they didn't. Btw, when you say "anything that goes against MAGA", the converse is the case as well (possibly even a bit more so). And when I say (quoting the comment I just linked to):

> There are some accounts that abuse flags in the following sense: they only ever flag political stories, and their flags are always aligned with the same political position. When we see accounts doing that, we usually take away their flagging rights.

... I didn't add that we do this the same way in either political direction, because that goes without saying, or ought to. But I'm saying it explicitly here.

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6. figgis+jq1[view] [source] 2026-01-26 08:51:12
>>dang+OW
This is a really rough spot, giving users the tools to remove visibility from a post will eventually get abused. I would genuinely be interested in some form of anonymized stats on the individual accounts and the posts they are flagging but that's a whole deal.

Am I wrong that there used to be a flagged option on the lists page, or am I missing where that is?

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7. Imusta+572[view] [source] 2026-01-26 14:21:31
>>figgis+jq1
Honestly I don't ask for anonymized stats but rather public stats.

If you flag a post, you are inadvertedly trying to push a hn post away.

That's fine if the current moderation finds it okay and I respect HN moderation but once again another post gets flagged & dead.

If someone flags a post, they should have a reasoning why. So have it public, so that its easier to call people out if they are being unfair and it would make people more aware of who they are flagging and actually why.

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8. ryandr+jt2[view] [source] 2026-01-26 16:04:17
>>Imusta+572
Flagged articles should just list the usernames that flagged it--in a queryable way so anyone could do an analysis and see who is operating in bad faith.
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9. dang+U33[view] [source] 2026-01-26 18:32:10
>>ryandr+jt2
Sorry, but I can't imagine doing that - see >>46581665 .
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10. ryandr+393[view] [source] 2026-01-26 18:54:43
>>dang+U33
You could publish hashes of the flaggers' usernames rather than the usernames themselves. The point is not to go on witch hunts--it's to stop the endless discussions and questioning around whether what we are all seeing (certain topics always seeming to disappear quickly) is the result of flagging activity that is evenly distributed across the site or coming from a relative handful of brigaders.
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11. dang+Qn3[view] [source] 2026-01-26 20:10:07
>>ryandr+393
Everything I know about internet dynamics and human nature tells me that that wouldn't work—it would just exacerbate the conflict.

The problems we're talking about come from the fundamentals: how HN is defined (i.e. its mandate), how the site is structured (one front page that everyone shares, only 30 stories per page, etc.), how people feel, and what's going on in the world at large. Given those fundamentals, these conflicts are inevitable. All we can do is work on how we respond to them—trying to respond better, more creatively, more relationally. By "we" I mean all of us: mods qua mods, users qua users, mods qua users, and users qua mods.

That's not going to happen to anyone's satisfaction, but if it can happen at all, that has to be good enough.

I feel like Freud telling you guys you're all doomed to frustration!

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12. ryandr+As3[view] [source] 2026-01-26 20:35:25
>>dang+Qn3
Thanks. Ultimately, as users, we need to trust that you guys are taking the right actions to defend against what appears from our point of view to be a sustained and coordinated cyber attack on the website. I hope I speak for a lot of my fellow users, that we trust it is being treated with the seriousness that you'd treat any other security vulnerability.
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13. dang+lF3[view] [source] 2026-01-26 21:37:19
>>ryandr+As3
I went through and looked at all the accounts that flagged the current thread, which took a long time since there were many of them. I found a handful (about half a dozen) who looked to be flagging for exclusively political reasons. That's a small fraction of the total.

In other words, the situation on this story turns out to fit the usual pattern as I described it a few weeks ago (>>46378818 ):

The accounts that flag these stories are almost always established accounts, so I'm not too worried about them being sockpuppets or paid influencers.

From everything we've seen, flags on political stories are a coalition between (1) users who don't want to see (most) political stories on HN, and (2) users who don't like the politics of a particular story they are flagging. In other words, users who care about the quality of the site, and users who care about a political struggle. This dynamic shows up on all the main political topics.

There are some accounts that abuse flags in the following sense: they only ever flag political stories, and their flags are always aligned with the same political position. When we see accounts doing that, we usually take away their flagging rights.

This, so far, seems sufficient to me. If we start to see indications that it's not sufficient, we'll take more action.

To make the point clearer, I went through all the other accounts that flagged the OP (i.e. not including the half dozen abusive cases) and collected examples of other stories they had flagged. I'll put that list in a reply to the current post since it's so long. I think anyone who browses that list will see what I mean when I say that most of these accounts are not flagging for purely political reasons.

I don't know if that assuages your concerns—probably not, because it's in the nature of the internet that people feel this way and explanations, data, etc., don't address those feelings—but we can at least try.

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14. ryandr+SL3[view] [source] 2026-01-26 22:13:43
>>dang+lF3
Ultimately we have to trust you, dang. Thanks for the example posted here.
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