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>>fajmcc+(OP)
I am all for criticizing and pointing fingers at trump and this entire administration.

But it does say they have been working with ICE for “years” in the article. What is not really clear to me is was the app made worse recently, was it originally commissioned under trump?

Nothing about that changes that they should not be working with ICE and they deserve any pressure they get to cut ties. But there is some history here I am very curious about.

All of that being said, I am concerned about how this will be turned around and used in more than just ICE and targeting everyone. Especially since we can be sure this will be used in largely blue big cities.

>>nerdjo+ya
"I am all for criticizing and pointing fingers at trump and this entire administration"

I don't believe you or you wouldn't have bothered to muddy the water in the face of repeated violence and dehumanization.

>>librar+ii
We get absolutely nowhere if we just blindly blame trump for everything. All it does is give the other side ammunication to paint us as just “anti trump” when they can poke holes in our information. We have to be better than them.

We have to have all of the information and actually inform people instead of the half and twisted “truths” that is all that ever spew from this administration.

It doesn’t change or diminish what is going on right now, but it changes some of the conversation around this particular contract.

I guarantee you that if this contract started under the Obama or Biden administration and we just conveniently ignore that, it will come back and bite us in the ass. This app existing before this administration, what form did it exist, and how much use did it get is critical information.

>>nerdjo+iX
You are a fool if you can't see what's right in front of your nose. Every single person I've talked to outside of the US sees that Trump is working towards a genocide. I'm very concerned about my family and friends over in the US.

But I do agree that all the other administrations have paved the way

>>Peache+gM1
Not entirely sure where you get that I am not seeing what is happening.

All I am saying is that we need to be better than them and not twisting information to fit what we want to say.

That doesn’t remove or diminish any criticism of trump and this administration but let’s actually fight lies with facts instead of stooping to their level.

It would not be a good look at all (hypothetically since I don’t know) if we go after Palentir for this app and its all trump this, trump that. And it comes to light that the contract started under Obama for example. That doesn’t mean we don’t criticize them, it doesn’t mean we don’t criticize trump, it doesn’t mean we don’t protest ICE. But it means that we don’t try to say that ALL of this is under trump.

We are constantly calling them out for lying, half truths, twisting truths, etc. We must be better than them or we look like hypocrites and all that does is make it harder to get people to actually come out and vote for our side when it matters.