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1. banana+wz2[view] [source] 2026-01-09 18:49:43
>>hermit+(OP)
I don’t think this is as clear cut as anyone on either side is claiming.

Looking [1], it does appear that Renee attempted to run the car right into the ICE officer, the wheels were still pointing slightly left, and the officer was still in front of the car. Also in [2] you can see that she was looking directly at the officer during this initial acceleration attempt. The only thing that saved the officer in that initial attempt was the loss of traction due to the icy road.

After that, indeed the wheels were pointing away from the officer and arguably there was no more danger to him, but after the clear attempt to hit him, you cannot realistically expect the officer, in a split second, to re-evaluate if her intentions to hurt anybody changed or not. At this point his life was already threatened. He doesn’t know what she is doing and waiting to find out could mean that he is dead.

[1] https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/2008984798271094791

[2] https://x.com/nicksortor/status/2009683575298211979

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2. UncleM+QQ2[view] [source] 2026-01-09 20:05:09
>>banana+wz2
Wait. Looking at the officer is a threat now?
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3. banana+tU2[view] [source] 2026-01-09 20:22:21
>>UncleM+QQ2
This seems like an intentional misunderstanding to me, but I’ll clarify anyway:

What I said was that she was looking directly at the officer while having her wheels pointed in his direction and accelerating hard (to the point that she lost traction). The looking detail is important because then you can’t claim she didn’t see the officer was in her way because she was still looking back from her reversing maneuver. It makes it more clear that she was intentionally trying to hit the officer with her car.

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4. UncleM+B03[view] [source] 2026-01-09 20:54:18
>>banana+tU2
I really have no idea how a human being can look at this video and not see a murder.

I'm frightened of you.

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5. banana+4a3[view] [source] 2026-01-09 21:42:05
>>UncleM+B03
That’s interesting, because I’m actually also frightened. But the thing that scares me is how quick everyone wants to jump to conclusions as long as it supports their existing world view.
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6. kccode+mh4[view] [source] 2026-01-10 09:04:32
>>banana+4a3
Jump to conclusions like triple-tapping a soccer mom?
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