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1. kklisu+2m[view] [source] 2025-12-22 18:17:52
>>chaps+(OP)
For more context here Flock Safety is a YC-backed company [1][2]

[1] https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/flock-safety

[2] https://x.com/garrytan/status/1856016868580151615

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2. kklisu+6o[view] [source] 2025-12-22 18:27:04
>>kklisu+2m
And let me share this reply by Garry Tan, CEO of YC, after someone made a comment that Flock might be _pretty dystopian_ [1][2]:

> You're thinking Chinese surveillance

> US-based surveillance helps victims and prevents more victims

[1] https://x.com/neurajordan/status/1963303084609966288

[2] https://x.com/garrytan/status/1963310592615485955

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3. leeoni+dr[view] [source] 2025-12-22 18:42:21
>>kklisu+6o
> You're thinking Chinese surveillance

the big irony, of course, is that i'm much more comfortable with China surveilling me than the US, since the latter can throw me in jail, seize my assets, and ruin my family's life, while the former cannot.

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4. afavou+zu[view] [source] 2025-12-22 18:58:06
>>leeoni+dr
The US government is a democracy and can be replaced should it exceed people’s limits. The CCP… uh, not so much.

I’m not trying to say the US government is faultless but it amazes me how often I see this kind of anti-democratic institition sentiment.

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5. array_+Nw[view] [source] 2025-12-22 19:10:07
>>afavou+zu
It's not anti-democratic, it's just pragmatic.

Yes the US is a democracy, but a lot of our systems suck ass and are also close in proximity. You DO NOT want to get into legal trouble in the US. Our justice system is beyond fucked. If there's one way to permanently ruin your life in the US, it's getting into legal trouble. You're better off smoking crack cocaine, that's probably healthier for your livelihood.

I don't know about China's legal system, but even assuming it's more fucked, it's all the way over there. Not here.

The main trouble with Flock and companies like them is that they attach to our broken systems like a tumor. If the system fails, which it often does, these accelerate it and make it worse. If you get falsely accused of something or piss off the wrong PD, this shit can ruin your life. Permanently and expeditiously.

Even if you are the most Moral Orel you should be skeptical of these crime reduction claims. They don't just beat down crime, they beat down regular people, too. And if you ask them, they don't know the difference.

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6. embedd+iz[view] [source] 2025-12-22 19:19:41
>>array_+Nw
> I don't know about China's legal system, but even assuming it's more fucked, it's all the way over there. Not here.

You're saying that the US legal system is extremely bad, shouldn't the assumption be that other countries have it better? I don't know much about either country's legal systems, but I do know that if I feel like my country is extremely bad at something, other countries probably do it better, at least that what I'll assume until I see evidence of something else.

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7. tremon+t11[view] [source] 2025-12-22 21:41:06
>>embedd+iz
I don't see how it matters how other countries rank vs the one a person lives in. Even if Canada's legal system is better than the US, you can't choose to subject yourself to the Canadian legal system without extricating yourself from the US first.
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