zlacker

[return to "Perl's decline was cultural"]
1. jordan+D3[view] [source] 2025-12-06 18:16:28
>>todsac+(OP)
I always found the Perl "community" to be really off-putting with all the monk and wizard nonsense. Then there was the whole one-liner thing that was all about being clever and obscure. Everything about Python came off as being much more serious and normal for a young nerd who wasn't a theater kid.
◧◩
2. lysace+t6[view] [source] 2025-12-06 18:36:27
>>jordan+D3
Perl is a sysadmin language. There's "always" been this tension between sysadmins and developers.

In my mind (developer back then) I'd amateur-psychoanalyze all of that nonsense as some kind of inferiority complex meant to preserve the self image. Needless complexity can be a feature!

And now we are all developers!

◧◩◪
3. MrDarc+P6[view] [source] 2025-12-06 18:38:52
>>lysace+t6
In the 2000’s Python was also a sysadmin language.

Edit: But I see your point, Google SRE’s around the late 2000’s reached for Python more than Perl.

◧◩◪◨
4. lysace+T6[view] [source] 2025-12-06 18:39:42
>>MrDarc+P6
(90s) Yes, but it developed.
◧◩◪◨⬒
5. calmbo+vg[view] [source] 2025-12-06 19:55:37
>>lysace+T6
As someone who lived through that transition, we used Perl extensively to sysadmin ~30 Solaris and Irix workstations and it was superlative at that.

At that time, Guido was still working at CNRI locally to us in Reston, VA and we had several discussions at the local Pyggies (Python User Group) on transitioning over to Python for that work. We were a (mostly) C++/Java shop, but Perl fit into all the other "crevices" beautifully.

Python just didn't have enough library support for all of our "swiss-army chainsaw" demands. Still, it was very apparent at the time it would eventually get there and I was enamored with its "one right way" of doing things--even at the bytecode level.

[go to top]