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1. woodyl+X6[view] [source] 2025-12-05 13:47:33
>>moored+(OP)
100% agree. Sadly, I have realised fewer people actually give an F than you realise; for some, it's just a paycheck. I am not sure what has happened over the decades regarding actually being proud of the work you produce.

I also think they tend to be the older ones among us who have seen what happens when it all goes wrong, and the stack comes tumbling down, and so want to make sure you don't end up in that position again. Covers all areas of IT from Cyber, DR, not just software.

When I have moved between places, I always try to ensure we have a clear set of guidelines in my initial 90-day plan, but it all comes back to the team.

It's been 50/50: some teams are desperate for any change, and others will do everything possible to destroy what you're trying to do. Or you have a leader above who has no idea and goes with the quickest/cheapest option.

The trick is to work this out VERY quickly!

However, when it does go really wrong, I assume most have followed the UK Post Office saga in the UK around the software bug(s) that sent people to prison, suicides, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Post_Office_scandal

I am pretty sure there would have been a small group (or at least one) of tech people in there who knew all of this and tried to get it fixed, but were blocked at every level. No idea - but suspect.

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2. Noaidi+f8[view] [source] 2025-12-05 13:53:19
>>woodyl+X6
> for some, it's just a paycheck.

What is wrong with just wanting to work for money?

> I am not sure what has happened over the decades regarding actually being proud of the work you produce.

Maybe if wages kept up with inflation people would still care. You know, when I was young, I was able to rent an apartment while being a cashier in a grocery store.

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3. wccraw+t8[view] [source] 2025-12-05 13:54:30
>>Noaidi+f8
Ethically? Nothing.

Socially and emotionally? It's brutal. For both the employee and society in general.

Spending almost half their waking hours not caring is not good for people.

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4. zwnow+d9[view] [source] 2025-12-05 13:58:09
>>wccraw+t8
Give us a reason to care. It's that simple.
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5. bpt3+Wc[view] [source] 2025-12-05 14:17:05
>>zwnow+d9
The reasons to care are personal pride in the quality of your work, understanding that your lack of effort has a negative impact on your colleagues, and your continued employment.

And if you hate your job, but are completely unable to find alternative employment (which is what you should do if you hate your job), you probably should reconsider how much you hate your job.

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6. zwnow+0f[view] [source] 2025-12-05 14:27:52
>>bpt3+Wc
Pride in the quality of my work is a phrase to make one feel bad about themselves. I take pride in my hobbies and in my hobby projects. I take pride in my family and friends. I do not take pride in being exploited for my work so some higher up can buy a new car every year.
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7. bpt3+JX[view] [source] 2025-12-05 17:34:21
>>zwnow+0f
And again, someone comes and makes a comment that proves my point. Unless you are working in very unusual (and illegal in the developed world) circumstances, you are not being exploited in any real sense.
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8. zwnow+lc2[view] [source] 2025-12-06 00:25:29
>>bpt3+JX
In my humble exploited worker opinion, you resemble Samuel L Jackson in Django Unchained. You dont even realize in what position you are in. Get back to the ground bootlicker.
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