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1. mixedb+Xv1[view] [source] 2025-12-05 22:54:13
>>meetpa+(OP)
This is architectural problem, the LUA bug, the longer global outage last week, a long list of earlier such outages only uncover the problem with architecture underneath. The original, distributed, decentralized web architecture with heterogeneous endpoints managed by myriad of organisations is much more resistant to this kind of global outages. Homogeneous systems like Cloudflare will continue to cause global outages. Rust won't help, people will always make mistakes, also in Rust. Robust architecture addresses this by not allowing a single mistake to bring down myriad of unrelated services at once.
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2. WD-42+qw1[view] [source] 2025-12-05 22:57:38
>>mixedb+Xv1
In other words, the consolidation on Cloudflare and AWS makes the web less stable. I agree.
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3. amazin+5z1[view] [source] 2025-12-05 23:16:11
>>WD-42+qw1
Usually I am allergic to pithy, vaguely dogmatic summaries like this but you're right. We have traded "some sites are down some of the time" for "most sites are down some of the time". Sure the "some" is eliding an order of magnitude or two, but this framing remains directionally correct.
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4. PullJo+VA1[view] [source] 2025-12-05 23:27:05
>>amazin+5z1
Does relying on larger players result in better overall uptime for smaller players? AWS is providing me better uptime than if I assembled something myself because I am less resourced and less talented than that massive team.

If so, is it a good or bad trade to have more overall uptime but when things go down it all goes down together?

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