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1. woodyl+X6[view] [source] 2025-12-05 13:47:33
>>moored+(OP)
100% agree. Sadly, I have realised fewer people actually give an F than you realise; for some, it's just a paycheck. I am not sure what has happened over the decades regarding actually being proud of the work you produce.

I also think they tend to be the older ones among us who have seen what happens when it all goes wrong, and the stack comes tumbling down, and so want to make sure you don't end up in that position again. Covers all areas of IT from Cyber, DR, not just software.

When I have moved between places, I always try to ensure we have a clear set of guidelines in my initial 90-day plan, but it all comes back to the team.

It's been 50/50: some teams are desperate for any change, and others will do everything possible to destroy what you're trying to do. Or you have a leader above who has no idea and goes with the quickest/cheapest option.

The trick is to work this out VERY quickly!

However, when it does go really wrong, I assume most have followed the UK Post Office saga in the UK around the software bug(s) that sent people to prison, suicides, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Post_Office_scandal

I am pretty sure there would have been a small group (or at least one) of tech people in there who knew all of this and tried to get it fixed, but were blocked at every level. No idea - but suspect.

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2. Noaidi+f8[view] [source] 2025-12-05 13:53:19
>>woodyl+X6
> for some, it's just a paycheck.

What is wrong with just wanting to work for money?

> I am not sure what has happened over the decades regarding actually being proud of the work you produce.

Maybe if wages kept up with inflation people would still care. You know, when I was young, I was able to rent an apartment while being a cashier in a grocery store.

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3. wccraw+t8[view] [source] 2025-12-05 13:54:30
>>Noaidi+f8
Ethically? Nothing.

Socially and emotionally? It's brutal. For both the employee and society in general.

Spending almost half their waking hours not caring is not good for people.

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4. bpt3+Va[view] [source] 2025-12-05 14:06:24
>>wccraw+t8
There's a difference between caring about your personal work product (and reputation), your colleagues on a personal and professional level, and your employer as an entity.

I expect my employees to show up to work and put forth a solid effort on a regular basis. Note that this doesn't mean a constant death march towards some unreasonable objective, or anything even close to it. Just apply yourself using the skills we agree you have for the pay we also agreed upon for 8 hours a day on average. In my field, this means you have pay that is well above the norm for an average software developer, and the working conditions are good or better.

A shocking number of people are incapable of this, and generally are also the same people who would claim that "they didn't start this".

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