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>>ryanvo+(OP)
I work on Bun.

Happy to answer any questions

>>Jarred+cy
I'm sort of surprised to see that you used Claude Code so much. I had a vague idea that "Zig people" were generally "Software You Can Love" or "Handmade Software Movement" types, about small programs, exquisitely hand-written, etc, etc. And I know Bun started with an extreme attention to detail around performance.

I would have thought LLM-generated code would run a bit counter to both of those. I had sort of carved the world into "vibe coders" who care about the eventual product but don't care so much about the "craft" of code, and people who get joy out of the actual process of coding and designing beautiful abstractions and data structures and all that, which I didn't really think worked with LLM code.

But I guess not, and this definitely causes me to update my understanding of what LLM-generated code can look like (in my day to day, I mostly see what I would consider as not very good code when it comes from an LLM).

Would you say your usage of Claude Code was more "around the edges", doing things like writing tests and documentation and such? Or did it actually help in real, crunchy problems in the depths of low level Zig code?

>>losved+TH
> I had a vague idea that "Zig people" were generally "Software You Can Love" or "Handmade Software Movement" types, about small programs, exquisitely hand-written, etc, etc.

In my experience, the extreme anti-LLM people and extreme pro-vibecoding people are a vocal online minority.

If you get away from the internet yelling match, the typical use case for LLMs is in the middle. Experienced developers use them for some small tasks and also write their own code. They know when to switch between modes and how to make the most of LLMs without deferring completely to their output.

Most of all: They don't go around yelling about their LLM use (or anti-use) because they're not interesting in the online LLM wars. They just want to build things with the tools available.

>>Aurorn+lN
more people should have such a healthy approach not only to llms but to life in general. Same reason I partake less and less in online discourse: its so tribal and filled with anger that its just not worth it to contribute anymore. Learning how to be in the middle did wonders to me as a programmer and I think as a person as well.

>>hiduck+p31
Personally I hate this “in the middle” as it’s so relative you can shape to fit your narrative.

For example: what’s in the middle for programming?

For me 0 is writing 0 and 1. For others 0 is making the nand ports.

And 100 is ai llm vibe.

So 50/middle would be what exactly? It all depends.

Same for anything really. Some people I know keep saying not 8 not 80 to mean the middle.

Like what’s in the middle for amount of coding per day? 12 h? 8h? 2h?

What’s middle for making money? 50k, 500k, 500m?

What’s the middle for taking cyanide ? 1g? 1kg?

What about water? What about food? What about anything?

As you can see, it’s all relative and whomever says it, is trying to push his narrative as “middle” aka correct, while who does more or less is “wrong”.

>>throwa+Wu1
I think both me, and person before me, were commenting more about the fact that taking reserved approach is just healthier and prevents "shitstorms" in discussions that are non existent in current internet landscape. Without offending you, but creating a straw man scenario about how much cyanide one can take and getting angry at it is exactly what I had in mind; I just code, I want to code, sometimes use llm or stack overflow or ask another person for advice about code. The approach in the middle is not taking to the extremes, and making use of any available tools to do our work/hobby and just live life and not be a target of hate (I received hateful messages and even one death threat over a comment where I said that I asked Claude to explain some concept in Zig). I could go and say that "in the middle" is more of a metaphor to just being reserved about stuff but I would be probably called out for "moving goal posts" and "backtracking on own comment". Sorry if something is written weirdly, English is not my first language, I'm open to talk more tho.

>>hiduck+MN1
Maybe your “sometimes” is too much for me or others. How can you ensure it’s in the “middle”? Maybe I consider extreme. Maybe others consider not enough. Like driving every day: is it extreme driving, or moderate?

You see how makes no sense this in the “middle” concept?

>>throwa+gO1
Then how should I call my approach? I definitely wouldn't portray myself as either pro or anti-llm: moderate? Moderate in the colloquial speech would also be not much more than trying to stay in the as you pointed out "relative" point of view. Unless you want to say that everyone is a bit of an extremist.

>>hiduck+QP1
Good question. I don’t know either. Just I know “middle” is not the right thing. It’s so easy to draw the narrative you wish - self fulfilling

>>throwa+dQ1
Well, then how would you describe your approach? If the the vague middle is not right thing for you?