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>>speckx+(OP)
As a very long-time Perl developer and FOSS contributor, I think this blog post is incorrect about whether Perl 6/Raku was a factor in Perl's decline. I think Perl 6/Raku did a few things that hurt Perl 5:

1. It pulled away folks who would otherwise have spent time improving Perl 5 (either the core or via modules).

2. It discouraged significant changes to the Perl 5 language, since many people figured that it wasn't worth it with Perl 6 just around the corner.

3. It confused CTO/VP Eng types, some of whom thought that they shouldn't invest in Perl 5, since Perl 6 was coming soon. I've heard multiple people in the Perl community discuss hearing this directly from execs.

Of course, hindsight is 20/20 and all that.

Also, even if Perl 6 had never happened the way it did and instead we'd just had smaller evolutions of the language in major versions, I think usage would still have shrunk over time.

A lot of people just dislike Perl's weird syntax and behavior. Many of those people were in a position to teach undergrads, and they chose to use Python and Java.

And other languages have improved a lot or been created in the past 20+ years. Java has gotten way better, as has Python. JavaScript went from "terribly browser-only language" to "much less terrible run anywhere language" with a huge ecosystem. And Go came along and provided an aggressively mediocre but very usable strongly typed language with super-fast builds and easy deploys.

Edit: Also PHP was a huge factor in displacing Perl for the quick and dirty web app on hosted services. It was super easy to deploy and ran way faster than Perl without mod_perl. Using mod_perl generally wasn't possible on shared hosting, which was very common back in the days before everyone got their own VM.

All of those things would still have eaten some of Perl's lunch.

>>autarc+ZJ
> A lot of people just dislike Perl's weird syntax and behavior.

As much as I liked Perl back in the day, it did sometimes earn its reputation as a write-only language!

>>dspill+em1
Not to mention that trying to understand existing Perl by asking the community 'what does this do' or 'how does this work' often (in my experience) resulted in 'RTFM' or 'man perldoc' rather than someone taking any time to actually answer the question, whereas other communities were more welcoming and helpful to each other. That made it difficult to learn Perl through other people's code compared to other languages.

>>danude+xs1
I think that depended on where you were looking and how you were asking.

My main source of support back when I did much Perl (late 90s, early 00s) was usenet, and while some groups were very snubby and elitist others were very helpful and encouraging for a young budding programmer.