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1. jacque+U4[view] [source] 2025-11-13 15:51:19
>>saubei+(OP)
There will be a lot more decisions like this one. For the war in Ukraine and anything immediate they will buy American stuff if there is no EU alternative (and for many things there just isn't right now, there are too many dependencies). But the tide has changed, for 'in' it is now to 'out'. It is abundantly clear the USA is no longer a dependable ally, and that it will use all kinds of strings attached to hobble what they sell to be able to exert political pressure. Besides the obvious problems with the political system internally to the USA I think it is the external effects that drive decisions like these.

I see the same happening with choices about other suppliers. The EU is a very large trading partner to the US and what is happening right now is unprecedented in the last 75 years or more. The damage to our future world order is incalculable and the fact that it all seems to be by design bothers me greatly.

The lyrics of Alan Parson's 'Children of the moon' have been spooking through my head lately.

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2. usrnm+g7[view] [source] 2025-11-13 16:00:31
>>jacque+U4
> The damage to our future world order

I don't think "damage" is the right word, especially outside of the US. Changes aren't necessarily bad, and, as someone living in the EU, I actually like the current trend.

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3. barbaz+tc[view] [source] 2025-11-13 16:24:58
>>usrnm+g7
Same here. I’m not scared of China either and am excited for them to take more responsibility on the international stage. Hopefully US warmongering will come to an end too.
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4. Yokolo+vg[view] [source] 2025-11-13 16:44:17
>>barbaz+tc
Yes, I'm sure all the countries around China are really excited and looking forward to this. Oh, wait ...

It's the same shit with the Baltic states and other former Soviet satellite states. They're terrified of Russia, but people in Germany or further West think it's all overblown propaganda and there's nothing to fear from Russia.

You being ignorant doesn't mean there aren't real issues and real, justified fears.

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5. generi+Bn[view] [source] 2025-11-13 17:15:30
>>Yokolo+vg
> It's the same shit with the Baltic states and other former Soviet satellite states. They're terrified of Russia, but people in Germany or further West think it's all overblown propaganda and there's nothing to fear from Russia.

And that is why Germany is moving a whole Brigade to Lithuania? I think only Spain and Portugal are not appropriately concerned with the Russian threat.

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