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1. smlacy+Yl[view] [source] 2025-11-04 18:58:21
>>meetpa+(OP)
The ultimate "out of sight out of mind" solution to a problem?

I'm surprised that Google has drunken the "Datacenters IN SPACE!!!1!!" kool-aid. Honestly I expected more.

It's so easy to poke a hole in these systems that it's comical. Answer just one question: How/why is this better than an enormous solar-powered datacenter in someplace like the middle of the Mojave Desert?

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2. alooPo+tm[view] [source] 2025-11-04 19:00:45
>>smlacy+Yl
From the post they claim 8 times more solar energy and no need for batteries because they are continuously in the sun. Presumably at some scale and some cost/kg to orbit this starts to pencil out?
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3. morale+ep[view] [source] 2025-11-04 19:17:07
>>alooPo+tm
No infrastructure, no need for security, no premises, no water.

I think it's a good idea, actually.

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4. ceejay+Xr[view] [source] 2025-11-04 19:33:21
>>morale+ep
> No infrastructure

A giant space station?

> no need for security

There will be if launch costs get low enough to make any of this feasible.

> no premises

Again… the space station?

> no water

That makes things harder, not easier.

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5. morale+Fv[view] [source] 2025-11-04 19:55:20
>>ceejay+Xr
This is not a giant space station ...

>There will be if launch costs get low enough to make any of this feasible.

I don't know what you mean by that.

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6. ceejay+yw[view] [source] 2025-11-04 20:03:38
>>morale+Fv
> This is not a giant space station …

Fundamentally, it is, just in the form of a swarm. With added challenges!

> I don't know what you mean by that.

If you can get to space cheaply enough for an orbital AI datacenter to make financial sense, so can your security threats.

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7. TeMPOr+kB[view] [source] 2025-11-04 20:33:24
>>ceejay+yw
> Fundamentally, it is, just in the form of a swarm. With added challenges!

Right, in the same sense that existing Starlink constellation is a Death Star.

This paper does not describe a giant space station. It describes a couple dozen of satellites in a formation, using gravity and optics to get extra bandwidth for inter-satellite links. The example they gave uses 81 satellites, which is a number made trivial by Starlink (it's also in the blog release itself, so no "not clicking through to the paper" excuses here!).

(In a gist, the paper seems to be describing a small constellation as useful compute unit that can be scaled, indefinitely - basically replicating the scaling design used in terrestrial ML data centers.)

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8. ceejay+PF[view] [source] 2025-11-04 21:03:37
>>TeMPOr+kB
> Right, in the same sense that existing Starlink constellation is a Death Star.

"The cluster radius is R=1 km, with the distance between next-nearest-neighbor satellites oscillating between ~100–200m, under the influence of Earth’s gravity."

This does not describe anything like Starlink. (Nor does Starlink do heavy onboard computation.)

> The example they gave uses 81 satellites…

Which is great if your whole datacenter fits in a few dozen racks, but that's not what Google's talking about here.

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9. TeMPOr+bN[view] [source] 2025-11-04 21:56:48
>>ceejay+PF
> This does not describe anything like Starlink. (Nor does Starlink do heavy onboard computation.)

Irrelevant for spacecraft dynamics or for heat management. The problem of keeping satellites from colliding or shedding the watts the craft gets from the Sun are independent of the compute that's done by the payload. It's like, the basic tenet of digital computing.

> Which is great if your whole datacenter fits in a few dozen racks, but that's not what Google's talking about here.

Data center is made of multiplies of some compute units. This paper is describing a single compute unit that makes sense for machine learning work.

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10. ceejay+MO[view] [source] 2025-11-04 22:08:23
>>TeMPOr+bN
> The problem of keeping satellites from colliding or shedding the watts the craft gets from the Sun are independent of the compute that's done by the payload.

The more compute you do, the more heat you generate.

> Data center is made of multiplies of some compute units.

And, thus, we wind up at the "how do we cool and maintain a giant space station?" again. With the added bonus of needing to do a spacewalk if you need to work on more than one rack.

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