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1. scotty+Aj[view] [source] 2025-10-04 17:19:05
>>hhs+(OP)
> You're thinking Chinese surveillance

> US-based surveillance helps victims and prevents more victims

— Garry Tan, Sept 03, 2025, YC CEO while defending Flock on X.

https://xcancel.com/garrytan/status/1963310592615485955

I admire Garry but not sure why there can’t be a line that we all agree not to cross. No weapon has ever been made that was not used to harm humanity.

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2. tptace+Jo[view] [source] 2025-10-04 17:56:32
>>scotty+Aj
I spent several years doing a bunch of work in my local muni that drastically restricted, and eventually booted (I'm not happy about this; long story) Flock. I feel like my Flock bona fides are pretty strong. I understand people not being comfortable with Flock. I do not understand this idea that it's an obvious red line.

People disagree about this technology. I live in what I believe to be one of the 5 most progressive municipalities in the United States† and I can tell you from recent experience that our community is sharply divided on it.

(we're a small inner-ring suburb of Chicago; I'm "cheating" in that Chicago as a whole is not one of the most progressive cities in the country, but our 50k person muni is up there with Berkeley and represented by the oldest DSA member in Congress)

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3. locopa+4z[view] [source] 2025-10-04 19:16:18
>>tptace+Jo
i guess you're not part of a group that the current administration has decided is anti-American just because we exist?

this administration is already making proclamations that are not laws (Executive Orders and National Security Directives), which clearly violate 1st Amendment rights to free speech, and yet are being interpreted by states to go after specific groups (may i introduce you to Texas and Florida).

police already exist as an uncontrollable force within most cities who apply the law as they see fit.

do you think a combination of those two things isn't going to result in a tool like this being abused?

if you do think it will be abused and that isn't a red line, that says something about you.

if you don't think it will be abused despite the evidence that police abuse surveillance and the current administration has no respect for due process and that isn't a red line, that also says something about you.

circling back, i hope you never find yourself on the receiving end of the technology you want others to be on the receiving end of.

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4. HaZeus+Ir1[view] [source] 2025-10-05 06:24:37
>>locopa+4z
>"i hope you never find yourself on the receiving end of the technology you want others to be on the receiving end of."

Absolutely solid line, and about sums it up. Batting for practices or technologies like this is publicizing your myopia and lack of imagination for seeing it being used against you or your friends/family/property in due time.

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