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>>bradge+(OP)
I wasn't expecting such a nice writeup. Worth a read.

The Ruby community has been eating itself alive since almost the beginning, but it is sad to see the short-sighted destruction of trust and connection that this has had.

>>leakyc+U1
How has it been “eating itself alive”?

>>bradge+sm
Ruby promised programmer happiness and delivered programmer warfare.

Predating the current hostile takeover: •••the vitriol directed at early critics like Zed Shaw •••mysterious departure of _why the lucky stiff •••the contentious Code of Conduct •••DHH •••uneasy truce after the toxic tribalism of the Rails vs. Merb

There's more, but the linked article can send you down more interesting rabbit holes than more bullets on my list

>>leakyc+Bq
There’s been a ton of that, yes, but for most people who are building applications and websites with Ruby, it’s been stable, productive, and prosperous.

>>bradge+us
Ruby's status of having, like, two companies that are big and known to use Ruby (Shopify and 37Signals) is the reason why this was allowed to happen (three if you include Github, but my understanding is that its used less-and-less there). I have doubts that anyone could name another company or group most people have heard of using Ruby in any significant capacity. Its a dying language that does not have the legs to survive this drama.

>>827a+GB
Stripe, AirBnB, Instacart, Zendesk, Kickstarter, Mastodon, and if I remember right Coinbase was originally Rails as well.

>>WA9ACE+oG
Many if not all of these companies are, to my knowledge, companies like Github which might still have some legacy parts of their system running Ruby, but aren't building significant new code in Ruby; and if they do have Ruby, are trying to reduce its prevalence in their system.

>>827a+7P
You're badly misinformed (or are intentionally spreading misinformation).

>>3by7+hT
Square was originally a single RoR monolith. We spent a decade burning it to the ground with a Java and Go microservice architecture.

Some product surface area remains Ruby, but Ruby was chased away by most teams.

Square brought in a lot of Xooglers over the years to lead the transition, so you see a lot of Google tech: protobufs, gRPCs, at one point a pre-Kubernetes Borg clone, etc.