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1. DamnIn+og1[view] [source] 2025-09-11 02:34:52
>>david9+(OP)
I went to college at this place (when it was Utah Valley State College [UVSC], before it was UVU). I spent a lot of time in that part of the campus over several years. How strange to see these events unfolding there. Kirk seems to be a person with whom I have scant philosophical agreement, but I prefer to converse with such people rather than watch them die. What an awful mess this all is.
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2. alessa+7w3[view] [source] 2025-09-11 20:20:40
>>DamnIn+og1
no you don't.

these people don't argue to uncover the truth, they just provoke you into some debate-bro logical gotcha that is simply borne in ignorance.

it's not even if you agree or not with him, he has no intention of ever learning your side, it's just a smorgasbord of conservative bs on repeat.

murder bad. but this guy was a provocateur who tried to get the most "impact" for his side. that is why his hot takes are so insane. they aren't points to argue against, they are dog whistle rallying points for all the racists and misogynists to think society is theirs. so let's not defend his work as "just having opinions i disagree with" ...

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3. nailer+O25[view] [source] 2025-09-12 12:54:56
>>alessa+7w3
It sounds like you’ve never watched any debating, whether at a world class university, parliament, or a high school. They’re no greater or lesses than Kirk’s debates were.
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4. myroon+BAA[view] [source] 2025-09-23 04:30:08
>>nailer+O25
Trying to win debates as a ~sport seemingly involves exactly the type of bad faith dialogue people find distasteful:

https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Spreading_(debate)

https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

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