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1. didget+ya1[view] [source] 2025-09-11 01:45:41
>>david9+(OP)
There are a number of outspoken people on the other end of the political spectrum from me, that I vehemently disagree with. While I would love to see their words either ignored or condemned by the masses; I have no desire to see them killed or harmed in any way.

I wish more people on both ends of the political spectrum felt that way. Either committing or supporting violence against those we disagree with, has no place in a civil society.

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2. paulry+Hi2[view] [source] 2025-09-11 12:59:05
>>didget+ya1
> I wish more people on both ends of the political spectrum felt that way.

Agreed. Sadly the leader of one side openly and repeatedly calls for violence against anyone who disrupts his speeches [0]. The former leader of the other side condemns political violence and even calls his opponent after an attack out of concern for his welfare. [1]

[0] https://time.com/4203094/donald-trump-hecklers/

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/14/bide...

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3. Andrew+Un3[view] [source] 2025-09-11 19:23:48
>>paulry+Hi2
This is a really disingenuous and biased selection of sources. One could find systemic examples of inflammatory rethoric from almost anyone in US politics: Biden, Obama, Trump, Waltz, Harris, DeSantis, Newsome, etc.

Ironically, assassinated Charlie Kirk was one of the most reserved US public figures in this regard.

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4. bertil+SX3[view] [source] 2025-09-12 00:18:15
>>Andrew+Un3
You would struggle to find a single example for any of those. Find two inflammatory quotes for each.

There hasn’t been a day in the last decade that Trump wasn’t making the news for a new insanely inflammatory remark—including in the last 48 hours. To help you remember when that was: that’s when he called for War on an American city, using the visual language of Apocalypse Now, a movie about war crimes. That was in the same breath as his new “Secretary of War” detailing that war would be violent, pro-active and excessive. This is true for almost everyone in his cabinet: daily dehumanizing remarks, threats, calls to attack.

One vs. many thousands: There are three to four orders of magnitude of difference in how inflammatory each side is.

You want to prove me wrong? Give me one date, a single date in the last ten years and if I can’t find Trump publicly insulting to someone that day, I’ll concede.

The only examples of call to violence you can find are people quoting Trump and his enablers, or mocking their style. Those horrible things you read? Those insanely callous dismissal of Charlie Kirk, victim of gun violence? Those are quotes of Charlie Kirk, reacting to mass shootings.

You are wagging your finger and scream "Here’s a monster!" but what you are looking at is a mirror.

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5. Andrew+eD5[view] [source] 2025-09-12 16:28:20
>>bertil+SX3
See in another branch. However, regarding this:

> There are three to four orders of magnitude of difference in how inflammatory each side is.

Not really.

One can only agree with this statement if he considers that calling Trump and his supporters Nazis, fascists, racists, etc, is not an inflammatory rhetoric, but a totally acceptable objective truth that just truthfully describes them. (Btw, do Nazis deserve to be shot on sight?)

However, if one doesn't consider this an objective truth, but a violent dehumanizing rhetorics, then suddenly he finds that one side routinely smears the other in the worst ways possible, and that the total amount of such rhetoric vastly drowns the messaging from another side.

> You are wagging your finger and scream "Here’s a monster!" but what you are looking at is a mirror.

That's a nice straw man you made. Please, refrain from messaging me again, if you don't plan to argue in good faith.

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