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1. pxc+Y03[view] [source] 2025-09-11 17:03:40
>>david9+(OP)
There was a school shooting on the same day as Kirk's death: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/students-wounded-shooti...

If he were still alive, he would be writing and speaking about how such violence is unfortunate but ultimately acceptable— even necessary— to "preserve our freedoms", brushing it aside to be forgotten. He of course did so many times in life, notably in 2023 when he was quoted doing so in the media:

https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-says-gun-deaths-worth-...

Kirk's death has already overshadowed the news of that school shooting, which will indeed be forgotten by most long before we stop talking about him.

One final victory for Charlie Kirk, I guess.

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2. johnis+kC3[view] [source] 2025-09-11 21:06:12
>>pxc+Y03
> If he were still alive, he would be writing and speaking about how such violence is unfortunate but ultimately acceptable— even necessary— to "preserve our freedoms"

He would have really advocated for violence, or school shootings? That seems odd. It is way different from "gun deaths are worth having the 2nd amendment".

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3. croes+mS3[view] [source] 2025-09-11 23:17:54
>>johnis+kC3
Did he question the 2nd amendment beacuse of school shootings? If not then school shooting deaths are part of his costs of his 2nd amendment defense.
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4. johnis+qx4[view] [source] 2025-09-12 07:35:38
>>croes+mS3
I should have known better than to reply under this submission. HN is no different from Twitter or Instagram when it comes to anything political.

My question was not answered, and my comment was ignored.

Good job for everyone here for not being able to hold a rational, non-heated conversation.

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5. croes+CF4[view] [source] 2025-09-12 08:59:34
>>johnis+qx4
The implicit part of your question was answered. I just ignored the part where you misparaphrased parent.

He didn't say Kirk advocated violence but that he was indifferent towards it in favor of the 2nd amendment. Isn't it interesting how a pro-lifer like Kirk didn't care that much about lives if it's about gun ownership?

Seems like it's harder to get a driver's license than a gun.

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6. nailer+C45[view] [source] 2025-09-12 13:06:33
>>croes+CF4
He did care about lives. Allowing some evil from gun deaths is the price of allowing a population to arm themselves. At the time he made the point that allowing some road deaths is worth allowing the population to drive. It doesn’t mean he endorses road death either.
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7. croes+A75[view] [source] 2025-09-12 13:26:31
>>nailer+C45
Interesting metaphor because we changed the cars to make them safer, improved the roads, added speed limits and added requirements to get a driver license.

What makes gun death so special, that we don't do the same for guns?

According to your logic Kirk was against speed limits, driver licenses and seat belts but cared about lives. I doubt that he thought like that when it came to road safety.

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8. nailer+py5[view] [source] 2025-09-12 15:56:55
>>croes+A75
> What makes gun death so special, that we don't do the same for guns?

Kirk's point was that we do for guns (domestic violence etc red flags). But like cars we don't ban them.

> According to your logic Kirk was against speed limits, driver licenses and seat belts

No.

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9. croes+5A5[view] [source] 2025-09-12 16:05:45
>>nailer+py5
So he was pro mandatory weapon training, limits on gun power and capacity?

That would be the equivalent of what we did against traffic deaths.

Red flags have the disadvantage they come after the damage.

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