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>>david9+(OP)
This is crazy. Healthy debate and disagreement should be free in a democratic country, without any fear of violence, let alone death.

>>robert+rW
Do you think Kirk showed healthy debates ans disagreement?

Do you think the people they attacked with their speeches were without any fear of violence, let alone death?

>>croes+ox1
What did Kirk say that would cause someone to fear violence or death?

>>olalon+Kn3
>In one interview with Gaines on Real America’s Voice, Kirk railed against “the decline of American men” and blamed it for transgender equality. Then he added that people should have “just took care of” transgender people “the way we used to take care of things in the 1950s and 60s."

Or take some from his last words

>At about 12:20, he is asked by a member of the crowd: "Do you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last 10 years?"

>He replies: "Too many."

Do you think he would have said the same when someone would have asked the same question about gun owners or would have said something like: "I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational."

Or pick one of those quotes https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk...

He recommend the one about Responding to a question about whether he would support his 10-year-old daughter aborting a pregnancy conceived because of rape on the debate show Surrounded

>>croes+2w3
That's not what he said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WhMtFZtmcg. He was just talking about not allowing a transgender compete in a women swimming competition.

None of this has anything to do with threatening or inciting violence.

>>olalon+tk4
So how did we handle that in the 50s and 60s opposed to the 70s, 80s and 90s, the times when being anything else than being straight slowly wasn't considered a crime anymore?

>>croes+cp4
Given he preceded that with "I blame the decline of American men" and followed it with "as testosterone rates go down and men start acting like women", it seems that in his worldview, the decline of masculinity started in the 70s. A high school swimming coach from the 1950s or 60s likely wouldn't have permitted a biological male in the women's locker room.

>>olalon+Dq4
But he would have beaten up a gay because he is homosexual, and called a black man a "boy" before going home, getting drunk, and beating his wife.

This is, of course, a condensed depiction.

>>croes+rv4
Kirk didn't say "I miss everything about the 50s-60s". He did none of those things, nor did he encourage them. Suggesting otherwise is intellectually dishonest, and the spread of such misinformation may have partly contributed to creating the deranged individual who thought he deserved to be murdered.

>>olalon+OF4
Have you read was Trump said?

>For years, those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world's worst mass murderers and criminals,"

>This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today, and it must stop right now."

That from the same guy who painted all immigrans as pet eating, drug trafficking rapists.

But I'm the one accused of spreading misinformation.

Even in his message on TS after Kirk's death Trump can't stay with the truth

>He was loved and admired by ALL, especially me, and now, he is no longer with us.

The first part is obviously nonsense

>>croes+3N4
Trump or Kirk spreading misinformation is not an excuse for yourself spreading misinformation. No matter his opinions, Kirk was a peaceful, non-violent person.

>>olalon+6P4
Wait a minute, he spread misinformation about COVID and the „stolen“ election and reaches millions of people but I‘m the bad guy?

He has definitely caused more violence than I.

Kirk and others boost people like those here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S-WJN3L5eo

Show one who got influenced by me. That would be really interesting.

That I spread misinformation has to be proven.

He referenced the 50s and 60s on purpose, the good old times and he knows his peers and what the associate with that time period. So he either knew exactly what association he sent with that or he was naive. I don’t think he was naive. Given all what he said there is a clear subtext you try to ignore.

>>croes+aY4
Anyone who knowingly spreads misinformation is a bad guy in my book. If Kirk did, then that applies to him as well.

> So he either knew exactly what association he sent with that or he was naive. I don’t think he was naive.

I disagree - you're extrapolating from very little. If you take into consideration his whole life and the context of the conversation, it's very clear that he did not believe in violence and did not advocate it.

Does that look like someone who wishes violence against gay or trans people? Be real.

https://x.com/GayRepublicSwag/status/1966219378971889949

https://x.com/LuckyMcGee/status/1966207117767164362

>>olalon+GY4
I find it interesting how he tries to dismiss the core message of Christianity with a reference to the old testament.

Seems right wingers know the old testament pretty well but rarely quote the new one and even rarer live by it. It's often that authoritarian god, you know, the one who gave us the rainbow after multiple genocide and who said later on

>Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Let's see those Christian values in action when they catch the shooter.