zlacker

>>uneven+(OP)
So basically to summarize, Google embargoes security patches for four months so OEMs can push out updates more slowly. And if those patches were immediately added to an open source project like GrapheneOS, attackers would gain info on the vulnerabilities before OEMs provide updates (the GrapheneOS project can see the patches, but they can't ship them). But a lot of patches end up being leaked anyway, so the delay ends up being pointless.

>>LinAGK+pJ
How does this work legally? If Android AOSP is open-source, once one OEM updates, surely the owner gets the legal right to request sources. IIRC the maximum delay is 30 days.

>>tester+S11
Almost all of AOSP is under the Apache or BSD licenses, not the GPL. Very few GPL components remain (the kernel being the large and obvious one).

So, yes, making a GPL request will work for the very few components still under GPL, if a vendor releases a binary patch. But for most things outside of the kernel, patch diffing comes back into play, just like on every closed-source OS.

>>bri3d+161
weird tangential question then: when does GPL stop being infectious?

I would understand in a modular system like an operating system: one can argue that the kernel is a single component.

But if you're buying an appliance, the OS is effectively one single unit: all linked together.

Why does a binary executable and a binary image seem to operate differently in this space - both are inscrutable?

>>dijit+Nh1
There's a concept of "separate works", see for example https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLCompatInstaller .

Tangentially, I assumed that the GPL must have some built-in exception for running non-GPL userspace programs on top of a GPLed kernel (similar to the System Library exception). However, it seems like it doesn't, since the Linux kernel has its own exception to allow this: https://spdx.org/licenses/Linux-syscall-note.html.

>>neobra+fm1
Note that the Linux syscall exemption is actually not the license of the entirety of Linux, because most code contributed to Linux is under the standard GPLv2. It's just a red herring -- there is no need for such an exemption because the generally held view is that such programs are not derived works of Linux (from a copyright law perspective) in the first place.