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1. gred+sw[view] [source] 2025-09-10 21:38:04
>>david9+(OP)
So sad, he was more willing than most to hear and debate contrary viewpoints (the "prove me wrong" table).
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2. bertil+dN[view] [source] 2025-09-10 22:58:07
>>gred+sw
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3. duckdr+QW[view] [source] 2025-09-10 23:59:59
>>bertil+dN
He's not, actually.

You may have seen some of the many "own the libs" style edits of him out there, some of which he/his team created and promoted. There are many examples like the one below, which is absolutely a constructive discussion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-X0YD0tYTw

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4. bertil+HY[view] [source] 2025-09-11 00:12:34
>>duckdr+QW
The whole thing is aggressively imbalanced: he’s sat, protected by guards, on a stage over the other person; the people asking questions are standing, their back to a large vocal crowd that may of may not be armed.

He’s cherry-picking one interaction, has all the editing controls, and even with all that, he literally interrupted the guy less than a minute in.

This is exactly what I meant: the appearance of a debate, with a heavy anvil on the scale.

Actually, not “may or may not.”

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5. duckdr+GA2[view] [source] 2025-09-11 14:30:57
>>bertil+HY
Why in the world would he be protected by guards I wonder? Save me the hand wringing about the "power imbalance" and focus on the substance of the conversation.

The comment I was responding to claimed that he did not engage in constructive conversations. This video is ABSOLUTELY an example of a constructive conversation.

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6. bertil+GS2[view] [source] 2025-09-11 16:11:44
>>duckdr+GA2
Constructive conversation would be you asking why we didn’t think this was, learning from our perspective. It’s when you use questions marks for something else than snark.

You don’t seem to know what that looks like, so you telling me WITH BIG SHOUTY LETTERS that ABSOLUTELY it is… That feels a bit self-defeating to stay polite.

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7. duckdr+pI3[view] [source] 2025-09-11 21:52:04
>>bertil+GS2
So now you want to pretend that "constructive conversation" doesn't refer to Kirk's debates, but rather our exchange?

When you have to change the terms of the discussion, it's because your argument is weak.

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8. bertil+1N3[view] [source] 2025-09-11 22:30:43
>>duckdr+pI3
You are the one using him as a reference. Neither of you care to understand what the other person is saying and grow from others’ experience; you only care to pretend to debate with people who already agree with you, and find witty quips if not.

Otherwise, you would have stopped your reply at the first line. That could have been a great question if you cared enough to read to the answer before dismissing it.

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