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1. dzink+Y6[view] [source] 2025-09-09 14:57:09
>>toomuc+(OP)
This is fantastic! I hope they succeed and there is no abuse or other issues, because it will show how much an economy can grow when women are allowed to work to their full potential. Families who were previously in poverty because the mom would struggle to pay for childcare to work can now have assurance kids are ok while the mom can pursue jobs, start her own small business (huge chunk of businesses are small businesses ran by women) and prosper. If you pose your child’s safety vs another dollar, most parents would vote for their children. But if the children are taken care of, parents can give the economy their best and the taxes paid and GDP gained will pay back for the expense manyfold.
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2. mothba+w7[view] [source] 2025-09-09 14:59:39
>>dzink+Y6
Would make sense IMO to provide an equal value waiver to those who take care of their kid rather than send them to childcare. Stay at home moms do not provide a less valuable service than childcare providers. This policy appears to disincentives children staying with their mother even when it is preferred.
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3. dzink+49[view] [source] 2025-09-09 15:06:32
>>mothba+w7
Depending on how they structure the childcare, women who want to stay with their kids can be childcare providers at one of the centers, so they take care of not just their kids but also others. Similar to the Israeli Kibbutz system.
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4. bluGil+Jg[view] [source] 2025-09-09 15:32:26
>>dzink+49
One of the reasons to care for your own kids is you can give them individual attention. Unless you have so many kids that you are only caring for your own anyway your plan diverts their attention away to other kids (or those other kids get less attention)
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5. jjk166+Hq[view] [source] 2025-09-09 16:07:21
>>bluGil+Jg
The argument is that stay at home parents should get the same credit as childcare providers because they perform the same service to society. If you're only caring for your own kids, you are providing significantly less to society than those caring for many kids. You want to focus on raising your own kids, that's fine, but do it on your dime.
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6. Silver+Bw[view] [source] 2025-09-09 16:29:26
>>jjk166+Hq
> If you're only caring for your own kids, you are providing significantly less to society than those caring for many kids.

I disagree with this. Perhaps caring for your own kids produces much better kids (and eventually, adults). And that may be more of a benefit to society than a large number of people being incentivized to create large number of kids whose care is just outsourced to childcare centers where they receive less attention.

> You want to focus on raising your own kids, that's fine, but do it on your dime.

Is this really an argument for anything? One could just say “if you want to raise kids you can’t afford, do it on your own dime” and undermine your perspective.

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7. jjk166+oj1[view] [source] 2025-09-09 19:25:31
>>Silver+Bw
> Perhaps caring for your own kids produces much better kids (and eventually, adults). And that may be more of a benefit to society than a large number of people being incentivized to create large number of kids whose care is just outsourced to childcare centers where they receive less attention.

We're not talking about some vague value to society of kids. We're talking about the concrete value of the service being provided - an adult physically present in the vicinity of children to take care of issues, freeing up adults for other, more productive utilizations of their time. A stay at home parent who looks after only their own children does not free up any adults.

> Is this really an argument for anything? One could just say “if you want to raise kids you can’t afford, do it on your own dime” and undermine your perspective.

That doesn't undermine my perspective at all. Again the argument is that division of labor is more efficient. It costs society less to have one person raise multiple kids than it does for lots of people to raise their own kids. Even if you say only those who could afford to stay at home and raise their kids should have kids, they should still be utilizing this system to reduce total cost. If they choose not to participate in the cost reduction, they ought to shoulder the burden of the higher costs on their own. Recognizing that society kind of needs kids for the whole survival of the species thing, selfish actions that reduce cost savings for everyone ought not to be incentivized.

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8. ndrisc+v12[view] [source] 2025-09-09 22:22:13
>>jjk166+oj1
If you're trying to be efficient, you could also put 100 kids in a room with an adult to do whatever as long as the adult can keep them alive, but most people would recognize that the services are not equivalent. It's not more efficient; it's lower quality.
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9. jjk166+y78[view] [source] 2025-09-11 16:43:36
>>ndrisc+v12
That's literally the exact same argument. 100 being too many doesn't mean 1 is ideal. No one is saying there isn't some threshold beyond which quality drops, just that the threshold is higher than 1.
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10. ndrisc+rV8[view] [source] 2025-09-11 22:18:08
>>jjk166+y78
Your characterization of the service provided is "adult physically present in the vicinity of children to take care of issues". That sounds to me like a lower quality "service" than what e.g. my wife provides, which is actually raising them, teaching them, giving them emotional support, taking them on errands around town, etc. Even with your own kids it's way more difficult to give them as much attention when there's 1 vs 2, so I find the assertion that quality of care doesn't drop after 1 to be dubious as well.
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