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1. loughn+Bg1[view] [source] 2025-09-11 02:37:24
>>david9+(OP)
The sad irony is that he's at a college campus debating/arguing with people. At their best that's what college campuses are for. I know they haven't been living up to it lately but seeing him gunned down feels like a metaphor.

I know he liked to publicize the exchanges where he got the best of someone, and bury the others, and that he was a far, far cry from a public intellectual. Still, he talked to folks about ideas, and that's something that we should have more of.

That should be something that we strive for, but I fear we'll see it less and less. Who'se going to want to go around and argue with people now?

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2. passwo+OQ1[view] [source] 2025-09-11 08:47:32
>>loughn+Bg1
It is a performance that appears as a debate.
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3. raxxor+XQ1[view] [source] 2025-09-11 08:50:53
>>passwo+OQ1
Is that relevant? Could be said about any public debate or speaker.
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4. passwo+AS1[view] [source] 2025-09-11 09:09:44
>>raxxor+XQ1
Of course it couldn't. Go and compare these two. You may as well compare fruit loops to wagyu beef.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyAqMIZdX5g ("Charlie Kirk Hands Out L's")

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpVQ3l5P0A4 ("Chomsky-Foucault Debate on Power vs Justice")

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5. yostro+Xd2[view] [source] 2025-09-11 12:27:16
>>passwo+AS1
Charlie Kirk was a 30 year old political activist. You pick the finest minds of the last century, a famous debate between them, and somehow compare that to Kirk advocating whatever he advocates. It's like comparing a middle school math teacher against a college math teacher (professor) and their teaching styles.
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6. passwo+sf2[view] [source] 2025-09-11 12:38:25
>>yostro+Xd2
It is like comparing a mediocre magician who is ok at giving an illusion of a debate that gets a reaction from an audience vs people who give thought provoking points.

A quick example: Someone says they don't believe in objective morality. He responds with "do you think hitler was objectively evil?".

The whole point is you either answer A) no, and get a reaction from the audience for looking bad cause hitler or B) yes, and now you have conceded.

It amounts to a party trick.

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