zlacker

[return to "Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah"]
1. ipytho+BD[view] [source] 2025-09-10 22:07:09
>>david9+(OP)
I was just at a conference today where one of the presenters referenced the "Trust barometer": https://www.edelman.com/trust/2025/trust-barometer

According to that study, 23% approved of the statement "I approve hostile activism to drive change by threatening or committing violence". It's even higher if you only focus on 18-34 year olds.

Full report here: https://www.edelman.com/sites/g/files/aatuss191/files/2025-0...

◧◩
2. mothba+DE[view] [source] 2025-09-10 22:12:39
>>ipytho+BD
Is it possible that violence is just more rational for today's 18-34 y/o than it was at some other points in recent history?
◧◩◪
3. Lerc+kI[view] [source] 2025-09-10 22:31:04
>>mothba+DE
The argument against using violence to achieve you ends is that if everyone does it, it is bad for everyone. If those who do it do not face repercussions then they will gain undue advantage, motivating everyone to match their actions, which again, is bad for everyone. The solution is the social contract and the rule of law. If enough people agree that anyone taking that path should face repercussions sufficient to not grant a net advantage, then enforcement of the law prevents others from taking the path of violence to reach parity with the violent

When the rule of law is eroded, which it has been, in the US and worldwide. Then it does indeed become more rational to use violence to restore the rule of law. Unfortunately it also increases the motivation towards violence for personal gain, that makes the task of restoring the rule of law all that more difficult. Countries have spent years trying to recover that stability once it is lost.

◧◩◪◨
4. von_lo+ty1[view] [source] 2025-09-11 05:36:03
>>Lerc+kI
> The argument against using violence to achieve you ends is that if everyone does it, it is bad for everyone.

If you subscribe to Kant perhaps, but most people's argument against violence (and morality in general) is probably not Kantian.

◧◩◪◨⬒
5. Lerc+f42[view] [source] 2025-09-11 11:07:50
>>von_lo+ty1
Well if surveys are to believed the predominant view in the US is that morality is dictated by God. I'm skeptical, but also, I have met people like that.

I think the argument for not committing violence when you are able to do so without any form of repercussion comes down to a morality issue, you don't do it because it is wrong. That works at an individual level, At a societal level you cannot assume all people to be moral. When faced with the inevitability of not all people being moral (or not agree on the same set of morals) you need a secondary reason to prevent violence. I suspect quite a lot of people would accept the morality of violence to prevent more violence. That is where individual morality might weigh in on the aspect of whether violence is appropriate to establish or protect the rule of law.

[go to top]