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1. petaby+62[view] [source] 2025-09-10 19:16:03
>>david9+(OP)
Prayers for Charlie and his family, violence against people you disagree with is never the answer
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2. treeta+V6[view] [source] 2025-09-10 19:43:39
>>petaby+62
I agree that we should not try to resolve America's current problems with violence. (And to be clear, I am an ardent pacifist and urge change in the ways of King, Gandhi, etc.)

Still, violence has been the answer in many (most?) political revolutions, including the American revolution and separation from Britain.

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3. lovich+X7[view] [source] 2025-09-10 19:49:33
>>treeta+V6
Anyone who says violence is _never_ the answer is frankly, naive to history and power.

Violence and politics are both on a spectrum and means to the same end of asserting your will. Vom Kriege is obviously not the forefront of philosophy anymore but it’s a good place to start if anyone reading this hasn’t come across that idea and wants to learn more.

Even your non violent examples of King and Ghandi has very violent wings on the side showing society that if a resolution wasn’t achieved by peaceful ends then violence it is. Remember that the civil rights act didn’t get enough support to be passed until after King was assassinated and mass riots rose across the nation

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4. treeta+c9[view] [source] 2025-09-10 19:56:54
>>lovich+X7
In Savannah, Georgia, there stand historic cannon with an inscription in French (translated here): The final argument of kings.
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5. w0de0+TM[view] [source] 2025-09-10 22:56:40
>>treeta+c9
“…and I am therefore justified in demanding the surrender of the city of Savannah, and its dependent forts, and shall wait a reasonable time for your answer, before opening with heavy ordnance.

“Should you entertain the proposition, I am prepared to grant liberal terms to the inhabitants and garrison; but should I be forced to resort to assault, or the slower and surer process of starvation, I shall then feel justified in resorting to the harshest measures, and shall make little effort to restrain my army—burning to avenge the national wrong which they attach to Savannah…”

- W. Tecumseh Sherman’s ultimatum to the garrison of this city, December 1864

Sherman’s March to the Sea was an apotheosis of political violence. It deliberately targeted non-military infrastructure.

How long would American slavery have persisted without the march (the war to which it belongs)?

How could non-violence have triumphed in the same crusade?

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