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1. userbi+54[view] [source] 2025-08-27 06:06:02
>>ingve+(OP)
This shouldn't just be "questions"; this should be a full-on opposition. Do not give them even an inch, or they'll take a mile.

"debugger vendors in 2047 distributed numbered copies only, and only to officially licensed and bonded programmers." - Richard Stallman, The Right to Read, 1997

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2. teeker+85[view] [source] 2025-08-27 06:17:34
>>userbi+54
Why is it so complex to have a foss mobile OS.

I only have Linux PCs (laptops) and servers, 100% of my work and personal stuff is done there (though for work I do need to hop into MS365, Google Workspace, Zoom, etc, hooray for browsers, my final firewall between me and the walled gardens, though we can have a whole discussion on that).

For mobile, we have PostmarketOS, Phosh, Ubuntu Touch. I really must try living in them, is it on me? IDK, our government even has an identity app for iOS and Android. I should not be using it, I should stick to web. But its so much more convenient. I'm just weak, aren't I?

Maybe I should go for Ubuntu touch, with an iPad on the side or something. At least my most personal device is something I control then. Or just keep my Linux laptop handy (or make a cyberdeck!). But I want a computing platform that does not require carrying a bag. It's kinda sad. Even GrapheneOS (one of the most personal and secure mobile computing experiences out there)'s future is in the hands of its greatest adversary, the one that does not want you to have a personal computing experience.

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3. rattyJ+1b[view] [source] 2025-08-27 07:11:22
>>teeker+85
I could be one of the people running an ungoogled phone, but my bank refuses to have an app that runs on an ungoogled OS for "security"
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4. preiss+nc[view] [source] 2025-08-27 07:23:00
>>rattyJ+1b
Write them. My bank's app had safetynet, but they disabled it and now it is usable over GrapheneOS.

Unfortunately no NFC Payments though, since they are only available for Google Wallet (which uses safetynet)

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5. aspenm+6j[view] [source] 2025-08-27 08:28:33
>>preiss+nc
> Unfortunately no NFC Payments though, since they are only available for Google Wallet (which uses safetynet)

A workaround for NFC payments I've heard about for folks running OSes on their Androids that don't support that feature is a smartwatch with NFC.

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6. subscr+Jn[view] [source] 2025-08-27 09:15:56
>>aspenm+6j
Precisely. Google pixel, Garmin watches, even Samsung watches.

Or using a bank that supports NFC payments (not using Google Wallet).

GrapheneOS Foundation raised this practice with European Commission because it unfairly penalises secure and safe competition giving instead a lie to the developers and banks that ancient, unsafe, vulnerable platforms are more secure.

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7. notpus+lt[view] [source] 2025-08-27 10:04:18
>>subscr+Jn
Fidesmo Pay is another option, though the bank support is limited: https://fidesmo.com/consumer/fidesmo-pay/

Basically it’s a passive variant of smartwatch payments: you can pay with a ring, or bracelet, or a mechanical watch. The cheapest option is this plastic thingy (currently out of stock): https://eu.k-pay.com/product/mavericks

I’m thinking about implanting one into my hand :^)

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