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>>kotaKa+(OP)
I've grown increasingly hateful towards both my Android and iOS devices over the last decade. The platforms themselves are increasingly user-hostile, and their appstores are crammed full of shitty, privacy-invading, telemetry-hoovering, dopamine-triggering, ad-filled, lipstick-covered apps that are often garbage compared to the pioneering days of mobile. I miss the days of my old Palm Pilot.

Is anyone working on fixing this? We can do so much better.

>>rkager+DA
GrapheneOS + F-Droid is a joy to use, for me. I'm kinda shocked when I use anyone else's phone, now.

If they start selling their own devices, I will buy one and (assuming it turns out how I hope it will) recommend it strongly.

>>miloig+aC
How do you access banking and other sensitive apps? If the answer is, you don't, well, you can see how that's a non starter for the vast majority of people.

>>petral+vD
A web browser in the worst case scenario. The same way you'd do it on a computer.

>>seanw4+FG
This is quickly disappearing as an option as well. I need my bank app to authenticate even when using a web browser on desktop. Luckily my banks app still works on GrapheneOS, but I suspect it's only a matter of time before they disable that because of "security" reasons.

>>debaze+ZJ
What bank is this? No bank I know /requires/ you to use a mobile app for anything; the web is enough. 2FA can usually be done via email, SMS, or a google-authenticator-compatible app.

>>markas+lX
For example, Starling Bank in the UK.

They have a nice web app, but you must use their mobile app to login on the web version. The app takes a video of a QR code on the web page during login. Web login completes as soon as the mobile app notifies the server. There's no 2FA code to enter, and no alternative.

I asked them about this, by phone call, when my phone screen broke and I urgently needed to make a transaction. Surely there as an alternative? Or could I do the transaction by phone call?

They told me that indeed there is no other option. Despite having phone customer support, they had no phone or web banking service at all which could be used without a registered mobile device. The only phone service they could perform was to register a new mobile device, which I didn't have. I had a tablet, but it was too old.

So I had no good choice. The Android phone I'm using right now was bought in a hurry just so I could be allowed to make a bank transaction.

It wasn't my first choice of phone. I didn't have time to investigate alternative devices, let alone weigh up open alternatives. I ended up buying a mid-range device under pressure that seemed ok and was available in a store without waiting. (It was a brand new Samsung, and despite the IP rating it got water damaged and stopped working entirely after a few splashes a year or so later, but I was able to get it repaired.)