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>>kotaKa+(OP)
I've grown increasingly hateful towards both my Android and iOS devices over the last decade. The platforms themselves are increasingly user-hostile, and their appstores are crammed full of shitty, privacy-invading, telemetry-hoovering, dopamine-triggering, ad-filled, lipstick-covered apps that are often garbage compared to the pioneering days of mobile. I miss the days of my old Palm Pilot.

Is anyone working on fixing this? We can do so much better.

>>rkager+DA
GrapheneOS + F-Droid is a joy to use, for me. I'm kinda shocked when I use anyone else's phone, now.

If they start selling their own devices, I will buy one and (assuming it turns out how I hope it will) recommend it strongly.

>>miloig+aC
How do you access banking and other sensitive apps? If the answer is, you don't, well, you can see how that's a non starter for the vast majority of people.

>>petral+vD
I love how so many of the responses in this thread are "it works for my particular bank" or "my bank's website is good enough" or "I'd only need it to deposit checks, but I never need to do that"... as if those are actually helpful responses to this general problem.

Many many people have banking apps that will not work on non-Google-blessed devices, use banks that have mobile websites that are terrible, and need to do mobile check deposits (which is usually only available in the app, and not the mobile website, if the bank even has one). And no, we're not going to "change our bank".

The reality is that there are so many things that break, sometimes in subtle ways, when you try to use an alternative Android OS. Some people may not have any problems, and that's great! But many -- I would dare to say most -- will.

And there's also a ton of uncertainty: I don't really want to wipe my phone, install GrapheneOS, spend hours messing with it and setting it up, only to find that something critical doesn't work, and now I have to flash back to the stock OS, and hope I can restore everything the way it was.