Go is still not good

>>ustad+(OP)
I personally don't like Go, and it has many shortcomings, but there is a reason it is popular regardless:

Go is a reasonably performant language that makes it pretty straightforward to write reliable, highly concurrent services that don't rely on heavy multithreading - all thanks to the goroutine model.

There really was no other reasonably popular, static, compiled language around when Google came out.

And there still barely is - the only real competitor that sits in a similar space is Java with the new virtual threads.

Languages with async/await promise something similar, but in practice are burdened with a lot of complexity (avoiding blocking in async tasks, function colouring, ...)

I'm not counting Erlang here, because it is a very different type of language...

So I'd say Go is popular despite the myriad of shortcomings, thanks to goroutines and the Google project street cred.

>>the_du+yd
Slowly but surely, the jvm has been closing the go gap. With efforts like virtual threads, zgc, lilliput, Leyden, and Valhalla, the jvm has been closing the gap.

The change from Java 8 to 25 is night and day. And the future looks bright. Java is slowly bringing in more language features that make it quite ergonomic to work with.

>>cogman+Mf
My criticism of the JVM is that it is no longer useful because we don't do portability using that mechanism anymore. We build applications that run in containers and can be compiled in the exact type of environment they are going to run inside of and we control all of that. The old days of Sun Microsystems and Java needing to run on Solaris, DEC, HP, maybe SGI, and later Linux, are LOOOOOOONG gone. And yet here we still are with portability inside our portability for ancient reasons.

>>lisbbb+CD2
If you believe that's the reason for the JVM (and that it's a "VM" in the traditional sense), you are greatly mistaken. It's like saying C is no longer needed because there is only Arm and x86..

The JVM is a runtime, just like what Go has. It allows for the best observability of any platform (you can literally connect to a prod instance and check e.g. the object allocations) and has stellar performance and stability.

>>gf000+L13
I don't think that's a mistake. Besides the promise of memory management the "write once run everywhere" promise was a huge selling point of the JVM. So much so that Bill gates famously was terrified of it.

"I am literally losing sleep over this issue since together with a move to more server based applications it seems like it could make it easy for people to do competitive operating systems." [1]

[1] https://www.joyk.com/dig/detail/1672957813119759#gsc.tab=0

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