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1. davesm+X6[view] [source] 2025-08-13 11:54:07
>>amarch+(OP)
Well, that's some distopean shit right there ain't it
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2. drcong+U9[view] [source] 2025-08-13 12:18:43
>>davesm+X6
From the country that brought you vans telling immigrants to "GO HOME OR FACE ARREST" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Go_Home%22_vans
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3. philip+9d[view] [source] 2025-08-13 12:40:07
>>drcong+U9
Not immigrants. Illegal immigrants.
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4. josefr+fk[view] [source] 2025-08-13 13:26:37
>>philip+9d
Colonial powers are not entitled to that argument, it's hypocritical.
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5. coldte+VN[view] [source] 2025-08-13 15:47:22
>>josefr+fk
Did the people suffering the consequences of illegal immigration today performed that colonialism?

Not even their ancestors at colonial times benefitted much from it: the industrial working class of Britain was in dire position despite Britain being a colonial Empire. That money and power went to the ruling classes and their middle class bootlickers.

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6. nosign+b62[view] [source] 2025-08-13 23:12:16
>>coldte+VN
No, but they benefitted from the colonialism and fight efforts to return those benefits to the colonized. We're not talking about something that happened thousands of years ago here.
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7. t0lo+Dp2[view] [source] 2025-08-14 02:36:59
>>nosign+b62
Did they ask to benefit from it? Being nice to everyone and accepting mass immigration aren't the same thing.
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8. nosign+Ib5[view] [source] 2025-08-14 23:17:22
>>t0lo+Dp2
Generalize this line of thought. "A thief stole an iphone and dropped it on my doorstep. I kept it, despite knowing it was stolen, because I did not ask the thief to steal it for me".

It's very silly on the small scale. It's no less silly on the large scale, you are simply more accustomed to the cultural understanding the colonialism is not something you have any responsibility for.

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9. t0lo+Fk5[view] [source] 2025-08-15 00:40:51
>>nosign+Ib5
But it literally isn't something I have responsibility for. I hate this white guilt fetish and think it's dumb and unproductive I actively use my money to reduce inequality through things such as the lebanese red cross and national conservation foundations.- Whilst not feeling guilty for the circumstances I was born into because logically I had no control over it.
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10. nosign+xB8[view] [source] 2025-08-16 03:55:27
>>t0lo+Fk5
It has nothing to do with "white guilt" or fetishism. It's not a race thing at all.

It's a "my nation recently and currently systematically exploited people. I would like my nation to try to make those people whole" thing. It happens to be the case that many targets of exploitation were non-white, but the concern is the exploitation not the race of the exploited. We systematically exploited plenty of poor white people too, we should make them whole too.

Redlining in my city "ended" officially in 1968, but in practice it was probably another two decades before it really was removed from standard operation. And in my city, plenty of white people were considered undesirable and redlined. I guarantee you there are people directly impacted by this policy who are still alive, this isn't some far away past long since forgotten by time.

As an example, the city should be considering whether reduced interest rate loans, subsidized housing, rent freezes, or other benefits can be passed on to families directly impacted by redlining policies from the 60s, 70s, and 80s. Just because it's been 40 years doesn't mean the city should just give up trying to make people whole.

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