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1. Shank+Bj[view] [source] 2025-08-13 13:23:41
>>amarch+(OP)
The UK is quickly deploying surveillance state technology that people once decried China for. Whether or not this is ethical or useful, I wish the hypocrisy would be acknowledged. The OSA, the Apple encryption demands, LFR, …, it’s clearly a trend. Has society really become this dangerous that we must deploy these things?
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2. lemonc+La3[view] [source] 2025-08-14 11:21:21
>>Shank+Bj
>Has society really become this dangerous that we must deploy these things?

Over the last hundred years, violent crime has droped sharply worldwide.

Over the last twenty years, it has fallen alot in developed countries such as Western Europe, North America, Japan and South Korea.

In the United Kingdom, both violent and property crime have gone down in the past two decades. The main exception is fraud, scams and cybercrime, which have increased.

Overall, crime, especially violent crime, is far lower now than it used to be.

So why does it not feel that way? Mostly because we are floded with news about every incident. It sticks in our heads and makes us beleive things are worse than they are. It is like air travel: whenever there is a major crash, the headlines fill up with every minor incident, even though flying has never been safer than it is today.

This is less about criminality and more about control.

There's definitely an argument to be made that things have gotten safer because we have more surveillance, but that argument also has many valid counter-arguments, and giving away your freedom for absolute law and order isn't the way to go in my opinion, especially when you use narratives like "crime in DC is at an all time high" like we've seen in the USA lately which is false. https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/violent-crime-dc-hits-30-...

A balance of surveillance and freedom is necessary for a healthy society. (By surveillance in this context, I mean simple things like CCTVs, police patrols, not necessarily drag-nets, face rec, whatever mind you).

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3. bboygr+He3[view] [source] 2025-08-14 11:58:12
>>lemonc+La3
Yeah, I mean if the UK is covering up and not counting 1000's of underaged girls being raped (with some police literally participating in the rape) the statistics are bound to look better than they are in reality.

Having said that, I don't think the surveillance state they're setting up even has the intent to change any of that.

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4. youngt+4l3[view] [source] 2025-08-14 12:45:22
>>bboygr+He3
I wouldn’t believe everything you read in the Daily Mail or that comes out of Farage or Yaxley-Lennon‘s mouth
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5. bondar+Il3[view] [source] 2025-08-14 12:51:43
>>youngt+4l3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploit...
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